NY minimum wage hike to be paid by taxpayers after back-room deal

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What's worse is it sounds like it was pushed by the big-chain retail and fast food lobby...
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Taxpayers to subsidize NY's higher minimum wage
Mar 26, 6:48 PM EDT
By MICHAEL GORMLEY
Associated Press

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- A hike in New York's minimum wage is a big win for Democrats, but a provision buried inside the tentative state budget shows taxpayers will be paying much of the bill.

The "minimum wage reimbursement credit" is spelled out at the bottom of a revenue bill in the budget separate from the minimum wage measure. The credit would reimburse employers for part of the difference in wages from the current $7.25 minimum wage as it rises to $9 an hour by 2016.

Once it reaches $9 an hour, employers would pay 40 cents and taxpayers $1.35 of the extra $1.75 an hour workers are paid.

Employers including big-box department stores and fast-food chains will get tax credits for seasonal employees, ages 16 to 19, who are still in school, which some advocates for low-income residents say will hurt adult workers.

The cost of the measure approved in closed-door negotiations between Gov. Andrew Cuomo and legislative leaders won't be known publicly until after the budget gets final legislative approval, which is expected by the end of this week. Early estimates are between $20 million and $40 million, with no cap on the total.

"You are kind of flying blind on this," said Frank Mauro of the progressive Fiscal Policy Institute.

Advocates for the working poor fear the credit will prompt employers to replace adults with students. Mauro said Tuesday the credit also would result in the first maximum wage for many employees because employers would lose the credit if they raise wages over the minimum wage.

The credit "flies in the face of sound tax policy, good labor market practice, or common sense," Mauro said.

The think tank said the credit would "dangle $1,560 to $2,808 out in front of employers for every adult worker they manage to substitute with a student."

"It's a big subsidy for the corporate low-wage economy," said Mark Dunlea of the Hunger Action Network advocacy group.

Employers would be compensated at a rate of 75 cents an hour per employee when the minimum wage rises to $8 beginning next year, an election year. Employers would get $1.31 an hour for workers paid minimum wage when it rises to $8.75 in 2015. When the minimum wage rises to $9 in 2016, employers would be subsidized $1.35 an hour for three years.

Mauro calculates the state will pay over $2,800 a year to an employer beginning in 2016 for paying a teenager minimum wage. And although the measure would prohibit firing an adult solely to hire a teenager and collect a credit, Mauro and Dunlea said that would be hard to enforce.

But Cuomo said the credit was a compromise to raise the lowest wages for millions of New Yorkers.

"This budget balances the needs of families and workers who have waited far too long for a minimum wage hike with business owners looking to grow in this still fragile economy," said Cuomo spokesman Rich Azzopardi.

Scott Reif, spokesman for the Senate's Republican conference, which had opposed raising the minimum wage, said the group insisted upon certain provisions to protect the business community.

"If you are going to do a minimum wage, do it phased in over several years without indexing to inflation," Reif said. "This specific refundable tax credit was a compromise. We had suggested a (lower) teenager or youth wage, and this was the compromise."

Sen. Jeff Klein, who leads the Independent Democratic Conference that runs the Senate with Republicans, said the tax credit would be effective in helping small businesses hire at the minimum wage. He said a smaller program directed at inner cities has worked well.
 

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Tax credits are not taxpayers paying for something. It's someone being allowed to keep more of their own money.
 

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The minimum wage workers are likely going up a tax bracket, so they'll pay more taxes, while the multi-billion dollar companies will get credits. Fucking liberals are retarded.
 

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The minimum wage workers are likely going up a tax bracket, so they'll pay more taxes, while the multi-billion dollar companies will get credits. Fucking liberals are retarded.
Minimum wage isn't enough to even pay income tax. That won't change.
 

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But still, in the end the cost of any program is borne by the taxpayer.

Give tax credits, the government gets less from them so they'll get it somewhere else.

It's all bullshit.
 

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Minimum wage isn't enough to even pay income tax. That won't change.
Since when? I paid state and federal taxes while I worked a minimum wage job in HS. Wasn't much, but they still took a percentage.
 

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Complicated taxes benefit the guy who can afford to have their own full-time accountants and tax attorneys.
 

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Um, no. As I recall, on my earliest tax returns I only got back a few hundred bucks. Even earning minimum wage, I paid out way more than that in federal & state withholding.
Not to mention if you're a student living at home, your parents are probably going to claim you on their return so you miss out on your standard deduction.
 

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cuomo is running his own little fiefdom. That motherfucker needs to go. I don't care how, but just get rid of him
 

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Which is why Obama's tax increase hurt the pie poor the most.
Fucking starving over here. Hey Earl, we got any pie back there?

Wouldn't you have paid a lot more taxes for 2008 than you would for 2012?

Edit: Just checked. Looks like it's about the same and slightly less for 2013. Don's wrong again.
 

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Fucking starving over here. Hey Earl, we got any pie back there?

Wouldn't you have paid a lot more taxes for 2008 than you would for 2012?

Edit: Just checked. Looks like it's about the same and slightly less for 2013. Don's wrong again.
We're talking about payroll taxes. Which you know damn well were cut after 2008 then raised when Obama got his second term. Payroll taxes are the only taxes poor people pay, and they went up.

Nice try. Did you think picking 2008 would distract us? Dishonest fuck.
 

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We're talking about payroll taxes. Which you know damn well were cut after 2008 then raised when Obama got his second term. Payroll taxes are the only taxes poor people pay, and they went up.

Nice try. Did you think picking 2008 would distract us? Dishonest fuck.
No, dishonest fuck. We were taking about INCOME tax. The payroll tax thing got brought up on one of your classic backpedaling maneuvers. By YOU.

Minimum wage isn't enough to even pay income tax. That won't change.
Since when? I paid state and federal taxes while I worked a minimum wage job in HS. Wasn't much, but they still took a percentage.
And you got them all back (plus some if you got the EIC) at the end of the year.
Um, no. As I recall, on my earliest tax returns I only got back a few hundred bucks. Even earning minimum wage, I paid out way more than that in federal & state withholding.
Payroll tax is a different story.
 

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Keep posting your retarded little pictures. You know what the fuck I was talking about.