NYC Cop Told Whistleblower Cop On Stop-And-Frisk Policy: "Get the 14 to 21 year old blacks."

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NYPD is screwed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...nd-frisk-young-blacks-males-article-1.1295665

“I have no problem telling you this,” the inspector said on the tape. “Male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem [to] tell you this, male blacks 14 to 21.”
This Stop and Frisk will get thrown out as unconstitutional, even though 95 percent of the stabbings and 98 percent of the shootings involve a black or hispanic. Big class action lawsuit coming.
 

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Stop and Frisk is wrong and hopefully it will end. What needs fixing is the courts and prisons. Free the 70% non violent offenders and keep the 30% violent offenders locked up for life if they show no signs of being reformed. Its a fact that most of those killing are committed by repeat offenders, who should never have been let out.
 

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Stop and Frisk is wrong and hopefully it will end. What needs fixing is the courts and prisons. Free the 70% non violent offenders and keep the 30% violent offenders locked up for life if they show no signs of being reformed. Its a fact that most of those killing are committed by repeat offenders, who should never have been let out.
Stop and frisk is not a program.. it is called police work. Ny just happens to have a stop and frisk report so we can show anyone who wants to check up on us. If someone is stopped for a reason its documented. Same people that are complaining about it are the ones who wanted it in the first place so they can keep an eye on us.


I believe this cop also testified that it was a an important tool in investigation.
 

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Stop and Frisk is wrong and hopefully it will end.
Right or wrong, stop and frisk targeting minorities is valid and logical profiling tool which is extremely effective at reducing crime.

When you call for an end to stop and frisk, you're basically calling for drastically increased crime rates... you're doing so solely to satisfy your anti-authority agenda, and without a thought given to the law-abiding citizens who will inevitably be the victims of violent crime when stop and frisk is ended. But you don't care about those victims, because you are safe and sound in your bunker in the hills of Colorado, you'll never be one of them, because you fear the agents of law and order more than the street criminals that you have never, and will never, come into contact with.
 

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Right or wrong, stop and frisk targeting minorities is valid and logical profiling tool which is extremely effective at reducing crime.

When you call for an end to stop and frisk, you're basically calling for drastically increased crime rates... you're doing so to satisfy your anti-authority agenda, and without a thought given to the law-abiding citizens who will inevitably be the victims of violent crime when stop and frisk is ended. But you don't care about those victims, because you are safe and sound in your bunker in the hills of Colorado, you'll never be one of them, because you fear the agents of law and order more than the street criminals that you have never, and will never, come into contact with.
Taking away essential liberties like the 2nd amendment, creates more crime and when the crime is created the police state has to grow. The 18th amendment could still be active if they continued to increase the police state to address the crime. I guess you are right in a way, you either have absolute liberty or a police state, you can't have it in the middle and expect things to go well.

And when does a richy rich boy like yourself, come into contact with criminals? Did one try to steal the hubcap from your $60k Lexus while you were parked at a yacht emporium?
 
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S&F does not target people based on their race. It targets based who fit the description of people who are historically known to commit certain offenses. Our precinct's CO has said this publicly at local Community Board meetings - with media present, and the "community" present.

It's also used if a cop believes a person appears to have committed, appears to be in the process of committing or appears to be about to commit a crime. Sorry, but black people always fit one of these three descriptions. (Wavey.gif)
 

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Taking away essential liberties like the 2nd amendment, creates more crime and when the crime is created the police state has to grow. The 18th amendment could still be active if they continued to increase the police state to address the crime. I guess you are right in a way, you either have absolute liberty or a police state, you can't have it in the middle and expect things to go well.

And when does a richy rich boy like yourself come into contact with criminals?
Stop and frisk applied to minorities is exactly in the middle, and it works amazingly well.

A fact you refuse to see in your agenda-driven state of blindness.
 

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S&F does not target people based on their race. It targets based who fit the description of people who are historically known to commit certain offenses. Our precinct's CO has said this publicly at local Community Board meetings - with media present, and the "community" present.

It's also used if a cop believes a person appears to have committed, appears to be in the process of committing or appears to be about to commit a crime. Sorry, but black people always fit one of these three descriptions. (Wavey.gif)
And that's always gonna be portrayed as racial profiling and
I'll bet get deemed as unconstitutional in the end.

I don't disagree with it but I doubt it'll stand up in court.
The tactic will be slammed for being racist and eliminated.
 

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S&F does not target people based on their race. It targets based who fit the description of people who are historically known to commit certain offenses. Our precinct's CO has said this publicly at local Community Board meetings - with media present, and the "community" present.

It's also used if a cop believes a person appears to have committed, appears to be in the process of committing or appears to be about to commit a crime. Sorry, but black people always fit one of these three descriptions. (Wavey.gif)
So would S&F apply to these fine gentlemen?

 

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And that's always gonna be portrayed as racial profiling and
I'll bet get deemed as unconstitutional in the end.

I don't disagree with it but I doubt it'll stand up in court.
The tactic will be slammed for being racist and eliminated.
And the uncomfortable fact that it's an extremely effective method of reducing crime will be ignored and swept under the rug. White guilt will trump reality yet again... with predictably tragic results.
 

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S&F does not target people based on their race. It targets based who fit the description of people who are historically known to commit certain offenses.
They could easily broaden that description very slightly to read "Men" or "Humans" and then we all lose our 4th Amendment rights. Men commit murder, let's go search all of those men at the Elks Club.
 

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And the uncomfortable fact that it's an extremely effective method of reducing crime will be ignored and swept under the rug. White guilt will trump reality yet again... with predictably tragic results.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it.
I believe profiling works.
You know the enemy, go after him.

But I still see this ending badly in the courts.
It'll be painted as racist and abolished.
 

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With the nanny state of NY. I wouldn't be surprised if they TSA'd it up and made the cops search an equal amount of white people every month. If you search 35 blacks in 29 days, you can go out on the last day of the month and search 35 whites at random. Oppression is fine as long as its equal.

They should really end stop and frisk, because it's racist, and it makes Kirk sad, and the cops are the real thugs.
How many people have even been found with weapons on them? Dollars to donuts, 99% of the stops are drug related. Its just a hunch.
 
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How many people have even been found with weapons on them? Dollars to donuts, 99% of the stops are drug related. Its just a hunch.
Violent crimes involving weapons plummeted in the neighborhoods where S&F was being utilized. If they didn't find weapons on the suspects they searched, it was due to the fact that S&F worked as an effective deterrent which prevented black youths from carrying weapons.
 

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Everyone sticking up for this policy has no right to bitch in any other thread about the government infringing on the right's of the citizen. Even if "stop and frisk" searches were an effective deterrent to crime, but that doesn't change the fact that they are illegal searches being carried out without probable cause and without warrants. And no, being black isn't probable cause. It doesn't matter how many black people are criminals because every individual has unalienable rights and shouldn't to be held accountable for the sins of the group they were accidently born into. A black guy who is a law-abiding citizen shouldn't be treated like a criminal or even a suspect (without probable cause).

By the way, if you actually hold the cops accountable to both the law and statistics, the "stop and frisk" searches, if ruled unconstitutional (which they are), actually increased the crime rate. The only difference is that the bulk of the crime shifted to the cops.
 

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Everyone sticking up for this policy has no right to bitch in any other thread about the government infringing on the right's of the citizen. Even if "stop and frisk" searches were an effective deterrent to crime, but that doesn't change the fact that they are illegal searches being carried out without probable cause and without warrants. And no, being black isn't probable cause. It doesn't matter how many black people are criminals because every individual has unalienable rights and shouldn't to be held accountable for the sins of the group they were accidently born into. A black guy who is a law-abiding citizen shouldn't be treated like a criminal or even a suspect (without probable cause).

By the way, if you actually hold the cops accountable to both the law and statistics, the "stop and frisk" searches, if ruled unconstitutional (which they are), actually increased the crime rate. The only difference is that the bulk of the crime shifted to the cops.
Atlanta... did you happen to see my thread about what's been going on out here in Indianapolis? Gangs of "youths"... ORGANIZED gangs of youths have been descending upon malls in civilized(read: white) neighborhoods like swarms of locusts. Theft, vandalism, fights... RANDOM GUNFIRE.

Dude... this shit is getting out of hand. Open your eyes... civilized society is under attack by animals... animals whose fiercest protectors are their VICTIMS!! People like you... protecting these thugs and arguing for their rights and liberties. Keep it up, and it will only be a matter of time before these animals give you their special brand of thanks and appreciation for all your white knighting on their behalf.

I love you to death, Atlanta... but the day you catch your reward in the form of a bullet or a fist... that's the day I point, laugh, and hand you a big ol' cup of I TOLD YOU SO!

Anybody who is calling for the end of this policy has no right to bitch in any other thread about the savages who are running amok on our streets and wreaking havoc on the innocent citizen.
 
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Atlanta... did you happen to see my thread about what's been going on out here in Indianapolis? Gangs of "youths"... ORGANIZED gangs of youths have been descending upon malls in civilized(read: white) neighborhoods like swarms of locusts. Theft, vandalism, fights... RANDOM GUNFIRE.

Dude... this shit is getting out of hand. Open your eyes... civilized society is under attack by animals... animals whose fiercest protectors are their VICTIMS!! People like you... protecting these thugs and arguing for their rights and liberties. Keep it up, and it will only be a matter of time before these animals give you their special brand of thanks and appreciation for all your white knighting on their behalf.

I love you to death, Atlanta... but the day you catch your reward in the form of a bullet or a fist... that's the day I point, laugh, and hand you a big ol' cup of I TOLD YOU SO!

Anybody who is calling for the end of this policy has no right to bitch in any other thread about the savages who are running amok on our streets and wreaking havoc on the innocent citizen.
Supporting the Bill of Rights means having to endure some unpleasantness regarding speech and actions of others. A gang of black youths walking to a mall is legal. A gang of black youths committing theft, vandalism, fights, random gunfire are now ready for arrest and prosecution. Until then, they get a pass. That's the price of freedom.
 

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Supporting the Bill of Rights means having to endure some unpleasantness regarding speech and actions of others. A gang of black youths walking to a mall is legal. A gang of black youths committing theft, vandalism, fights, random gunfire are now ready for arrest and prosecution. Until then, they get a pass. That's the price of freedom.
And on the day you REALLY pay that price, I've got a big ol' mug to hand you to.
 
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