NYC Poor to get paid to go to school

Schmed

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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] NEW YORK (AP) - Poor residents will be rewarded for good behavior - like $300 for doing well on school tests, $150 for holding a job and $200 for visiting the doctor - under an experimental anti-poverty program that city officials detailed Monday.
The rewards have been used in other countries, including Brazil and Mexico, and have drawn widespread praise for changing behavior among the poor. Mayor Michael Bloomberg traveled to Mexico this spring to study the healthy lifestyle payments, also known as conditional cash transfers.
In New York, the two-year pilot program with about 14,000 participants will use private funds Bloomberg has raised because he did not want to spend government money on something that is highly experimental. More than $43 million has been raised toward the $53 million goal, Deputy Mayor Linda Gibbs said.
The theory behind cash rewards is that poor people are trapped in a cycle of repeated setbacks that keep them from climbing out of poverty. A person who doesn't keep up with his vaccinations and doctor's visits, for example, may get sick more often and struggle to stay employed.
Bloomberg, a billionaire Republican, said he believes paying people in such circumstances to make good decisions could help break those patterns. The program "gives New Yorkers in poverty a financial incentive to look ahead and make decisions that will improve their prospects for the future," he said in a statement.
But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.
"It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington.
Waller, who served as a domestic policy adviser in the Clinton administration, said it would be more effective to focus on labor issues, such as making sure wage laws are enforced and improving benefits for working people.
Among the possible rewards in New York's program are $25 for attending parent-teacher conferences, $25 per month for a child who maintains a 95 percent school attendance record, $400 for graduating high school, $100 for each family member who sees the dentist every six months and $150 a month for adults who work full time.
The World Bank model for cash reward programs in other countries is that the value of the incentive should equal about a third of a household's income to have any lasting influence on changing behavior. The average amount that a family or adult can earn through the rewards each year is about $3,000 to $6,000; a family of three living in poverty earns about $17,000 a year.
Recipients, who are being selected this summer before the program begins in the fall, will be able to have the money deposited directly into their bank accounts. If they don't have accounts, they can get cards that are like debit cards but cannot be overdrawn.
The city is asking the federal government to excuse the payments from being taxed. Participants will be divided into three smaller programs that have different criteria and awards: one for about 2,550 families, one for 2,400 single adults and another for 9,000 children in grades 4 to 7.
To measure the effectiveness of the rewards, control groups of similar size will not be paid but will be studied by participating in regular surveys and reviews from an outside social policy research group, Gibbs said. The control participants will receive small incentives, such as weekly MetroCards for paying bus and subway fares, for their time and trouble.

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MrAbovePar

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Citizens must be conditioned properly so they know what they allowed to do.

Man....this is going to be abused like a motherfucker.
 

weakside

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Dec 9, 2004
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This is a good thing on the surface, though I haven't done any research on it. You want the poor to become educated so that:

A. They get off public services.
B. They break the cycle of poverty.
C. They don't steal your car.

Besides, if they are to get Welfare anyway at least this type of Welfare services an incentive to improve themselves unlike our current system.
 

weakside

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Dec 9, 2004
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Citizens must be conditioned properly so they know what they allowed to do.

Man....this is going to be abused like a motherfucker.
Yeah, I have to admit that did cross my mind as well.
 
Feb 20, 2006
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They should offer them $100,000 each to kill themselves. It would be cheaper for society than letting them live and breed like they would otherwise.
 

fuckwit

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The New US Government.

Your doing a great job Beave, here's your allowance.
 

LiddyRules

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This is a good thing on the surface, though I haven't done any research on it. You want the poor to become educated so that:

A. They get off public services.
B. They break the cycle of poverty.
C. They don't steal your car.

Besides, if they are to get Welfare anyway at least this type of Welfare services an incentive to improve themselves unlike our current system.
yeah, because learning earth science will surely prevent that.
 

weakside

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yeah, because learning earth science will surely prevent that.
I think you meant this as a joke but just in case:

No, learning Earth Science in particular will not do all of this. But learning the various academic, study, and behavioral skills required for Earth Science will.
 
Jan 9, 2006
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This is a good thing on the surface, though I haven't done any research on it. You want the poor to become educated so that:

A. They get off public services.
B. They break the cycle of poverty.
C. They don't steal your car.

Besides, if they are to get Welfare anyway at least this type of Welfare services an incentive to improve themselves unlike our current system.

The order should be C, A, B, but overall I agree with you. ;)
 
Jul 13, 2006
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This is absolutely fucking digusting. The government is trying to give them money to do shit they should be doing anyway?

The next thing you know they will be paying people to not work...oh wait, thats the current situation.

Socialism is fucking digusting and they deserve all of the drug addicts and murders as possible.
 

d0uche_n0zzle

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Still a waste of money. It's really too bad, because I've met a lot of smart, decent, hard working blacks who still feel the need to act "street" in front of other brothers.
 

LiddyRules

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I think you meant this as a joke but just in case:

No, learning Earth Science in particular will not do all of this. But learning the various academic, study, and behavioral skills required for Earth Science will.
Yeah because everyone who went to class turned out to be good, upstanding members of society.
 

Stormrider666

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Still a waste of money. It's really too bad, because I've met a lot of smart, decent, hard working blacks who still feel the need to act "street" in front of other brothers.
You basically described something that I have had to deal with for a good part of my life. Being made to feel less black, because I speak and act a certain way. One of my biggest pet peeves is being told that I'm acting white. Getting back to the topic on hand, I agree with everything else that was said. I hate how education is taking for granted by many people in the black community. Especially considering fact that at one time it was illegal for a black person to learn how to read. There were people who were killed fighting for the right for the black community to be given chance to learn.
 

weakside

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Yeah because everyone who went to class turned out to be good, upstanding members of society.
Your totally right. Since we can't guarantee a 100% success rate we should shut this program down. In fact, lets shut all schools down as well since we can't guarantee success there either.
 

weakside

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Dec 9, 2004
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This is absolutely fucking digusting. The government is trying to give them money to do shit they should be doing anyway?

The next thing you know they will be paying people to not work...oh wait, thats the current situation.

Socialism is fucking digusting and they deserve all of the drug addicts and murders as possible.
Your right. What is the point of teaching someone that work will equal pay? What good can come of that?

The ignorance is sometimes overwhelming. Here is a program that is trying to teach self reliance and build the intrinsic value of hard will equal success. This effort directly fights reliance on government programs and perhaps even crime. Isn't that the goal?

Lets just be honest, a lot of you prefer that minorities to be uneducated and poor because it conveniently fits into your stereotypes. I used to just laugh at people like this, now I worry because you have the right to vote.
 

HummerTuesdays

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Your right. What is the point of teaching someone that work will equal pay? What good can come of that?
But if I read the article correctly, the kids that already show up & learn and the parents that already are involved get nothing. I guess it's OK because they already know the value of an education? Where's their monetary reward?
 

Larz

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Lets just be honest, a lot of you prefer that minorities to be uneducated and poor because it conveniently fits into your stereotypes. I used to just laugh at people like this, now I worry because you have the right to vote.
A similar program has been going on for a while in upstate New York. When I was in grad school I taught 11th grade physics for fuckups over the summer and found out a bunch of the kids (all white) were getting paid $100 a month to show up. It seemed weird to me but the program was very hush-hush and I didn't poke around too much.

It is pretty funny that you start to hear about this shit when the schwoogs get involved.
 

Mommadeez4u

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when I went to William & Mary, the college was so hard up for minority enrollment (a certain amount of which was mandatory for partial state funding and grants) that they would not only pay their tuition, they would also pay the student a stipend of about 200 bucks per month. One of the most expensive fucking schools in the country, the tuition KILLED me, and here other people are getting a free ride and they STILL couldn't make the minority quotas.
 

abudabit

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How about $2000 to get sterlized...
 

BIV

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This really annoys me but at least:
In New York, the two-year pilot program with about 14,000 participants will use private funds Bloomberg has raised because he did not want to spend government money on something that is highly experimental. More than $43 million has been raised toward the $53 million goal, Deputy Mayor Linda Gibbs said.
He's putting his money where his mouth is. Be interesting to see what happens.
 
Jul 13, 2006
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Lets just be honest, a lot of you prefer that minorities to be uneducated and poor because it conveniently fits into your stereotypes.
You amaze me. You're a fucking mind reader. You know how I think and I can only hope that you get your own show on Bravo.

Paying someone to go to school that is provided FOR THEM with tax money already is going to teach them to be better people? You've got to be fucking kidding dude.

I didn't mention anything about racial groups. That is unless you now consider urban hoodlums to be a new minority group.

Throwing money at problems is always the solution that lefties come up with and it NEVER works. Now they want to bribe kids to go to school.

I don't want people "fitting in to" stereotypes. That would imply that I want people to do something that they normally wouldn't do in order to fit a mold. They make their own stereotypes. Stereotypes come about from observations on a larger scale from many different people by seeing people behaving in certain ways. It's a pattern that shows up in cultures. It's not a bad thing, it's just truth. When you see asian people you may think of sushi, if you see blacks you may think of chicken, if you see Italians you may think about lasagna, if you see mexicans you may think about burritoes, etc. They are cultural observations.

I don't want "urban" people being ignorant cunts that think that school is the "Whitemans' Education" and that they need to learn slang. Street slang is for faggots and trannies. If they want to be ignorant pieces of shit with prison in their future then fine. It's their choice to either learn or not.

The problems in school have to do with cultural problems. Cultural leaders need to take charge and make sure their youth are corrected, behave and become educated.

It's not the tax payers' duty to baby morons that will never be hired by any business because they have taught themselves slang english and isolated THEMSELVES from society. All of these problems come about from their own choices.

Fuck em.
 

weakside

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You amaze me. You're a fucking mind reader. You know how I think and I can only hope that you get your own show on Bravo.

Paying someone to go to school that is provided FOR THEM with tax money already is going to teach them to be better people? You've got to be fucking kidding dude.

I didn't mention anything about racial groups. That is unless you now consider urban hoodlums to be a new minority group.

Throwing money at problems is always the solution that lefties come up with and it NEVER works. Now they want to bribe kids to go to school.

I don't want people "fitting in to" stereotypes. That would imply that I want people to do something that they normally wouldn't do in order to fit a mold. They make their own stereotypes. Stereotypes come about from observations on a larger scale from many different people by seeing people behaving in certain ways. It's a pattern that shows up in cultures. It's not a bad thing, it's just truth. When you see asian people you may think of sushi, if you see blacks you may think of chicken, if you see Italians you may think about lasagna, if you see mexicans you may think about burritoes, etc. They are cultural observations.

I don't want "urban" people being ignorant cunts that think that school is the "Whitemans' Education" and that they need to learn slang. Street slang is for faggots and trannies. If they want to be ignorant pieces of shit with prison in their future then fine. It's their choice to either learn or not.

The problems in school have to do with cultural problems. Cultural leaders need to take charge and make sure their youth are corrected, behave and become educated.

It's not the tax payers' duty to baby morons that will never be hired by any business because they have taught themselves slang english and isolated THEMSELVES from society. All of these problems come about from their own choices.

Fuck em.

You took this personal, which says to me you feel like I was talking about you. Perhaps I was. Only you know for sure. Anyway...

1. You mention that stereotypes are ok in that, "It's a pattern that shows up in cultures. It's not a bad thing, it's just truth. When you see asian people you may think of sushi, if you see blacks you may think of chicken, if you see Italians you may think about lasagna, if you see mexicans you may think about burritoes, etc. They are cultural observations."

Well, there are two problems with that way of thinking: One, not all Italians necessarily like lasagna. Two, that is the first thing you think of when you see Italians. But your food example doesn’t really do any harm so let's do another stereotype: Black people steal. Guess what? Most Black people in this country have never stolen anything in their lives. But yet if that is the first thing you think of when you see a Black person then you are all ready discriminating against them because of your bias because your mind is already made up from the start. Such as this stereotype you have about minorities:"It's not the tax payers' duty to baby morons that will never be hired by any business because they have taught themselves slang english and isolated THEMSELVES from society."

Can you see the problem there? If you were a manager and you saw a name on an application that was ethnic, from this quote you would think that they used slang and would therefor probably not call them in your an interview. What if I saw your picture and I said, "That guy is obviously a Skinhead. I'm not calling him in for an interview. Is that fair?

Stereotypes are bad because you are assuming that all members of that group fit that role. Not all do.

2. You also said, "If they want to be ignorant pieces of shit with prison in their future then fine."

Do you have any idea how much it costs us taxpayers to house a prisoner? A hell of a lot more that this little financial incentive program does. Your right, it would be great if parents helped to foster the intrinsic value of education in their children. But you and I know that isn't true. Children can't always be held responsible for the bad choices their parents make. Why not pay a little now, break the cycle of poverty, and end up saving this country money in the long run with less Welfare going out and more taxes coming in? I say that is a deal for us.

By the way, what is so wrong about showing the poor that hard work equals pay? School is like work for kids, and I don't know about you but as much as I love my job if they stopped paying me tomorrow I would quit. Why not teach this value in children of the poor so they will make that connection later and pay into the system through taxes instead of taking it out?

Look I agree, I wish we lived in a land where everybody did the right thing. But we don't. But instead of throwing our hands up in the air and saying, "Fuck them" why not try to solve the problem now and save this country a lot more money in the long run. Why make the problem worse? Don't be so shortsighted.