Obama considers drone strike rulebook - for use by next administration only

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/kill-list-rule-book-190528285--election.html
‘Kill List’ rule book may be coming soon to the White House Situation Room

By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 4 hrs ago


The White House "kill list"--a regularly updated chart showing the world's most wanted terrorists used by President Barack Obama during kill or capture debates--may soon be getting a rule book to go with it.

According to the New York Times, the administration--faced with the possibility that President Obama might lose the 2012 election to Mitt Romney--"accelerated work in the weeks before the election to develop explicit rules for the targeted killing of terrorists by unmanned drones, so that a new president would inherit clear standards and procedures."

Until now, President Obama has had the "final moral calculation" overseeing the "kill list," the existence of which was first revealed in May in the wake of a drone strike that killed an al-Qaida leader.

But according to the paper, administration officials are looking to curb the power of the commander in chief with the rule book:

"There was concern that the levers might no longer be in our hands," said one official, speaking on condition of anonymity. With a continuing debate about the proper limits of drone strikes, Mr. Obama did not want to leave an "amorphous" program to his successor, the official said. The effort, which would have been rushed to completion by January had Mr. Romney won, will now be finished at a more leisurely pace, the official said.​
President Obama has voiced his support for such rules.

"Creating a legal structure, processes, with oversight checks on how we use unmanned weapons is going to be a challenge for me and my successors for some time to come," President Obama said in an interview with author Mark Bowden for "The Finish," a book on the killing of Osama bin Laden. "There's a remoteness to it that makes it tempting to think that somehow we can, without any mess on our hands, solve vexing security problems."

The U.S. drone program, which was launched by President George W. Bush, has been expanded under the current administration. Since Obama took office in 2009, there have been more 300 drone strikes carried out by the U.S. military, according to the Times.

Earlier this year, critics of the "kill list" launched a petition on the White House website to create a "Do Not Kill" list to protect U.S. citizens from drone strikes by their own government. The petition, though, failed to meet the 25,000-signature threshold required to get an official response from the White House.
The fact that they only thought to come up with rules when they thought they might be out on their asses in a few months speaks volumes. "We know we can be trusted to do the right thing. But we don't trust anyone else."
 

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Jeremy Scahill, one of the last real journalists left. Kucinich put forward legislation that said Obama does not have the right to unilaterally kill US citizens without due process but he only got support from 6 others. Its surprising that Obama even brought this up since the media was more than willing to not talk about it. It looks like hes trying to say his kill list is justifiable but hes concerned that an evil republican will do the same things and have an unjust kill list.

The media has been upping the hype that Obama is Abraham Lincoln and we all know Abraham Lincoln executed Americans without trial and he imprisoned journalists.
 

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Bullshit pandering to the left. Nothing will change with the drone strikes.
That's sort of what I figured too. It sounds like someone had been bugging him to get it done and he just kept saying "yeah yeah I'll get around to it. Just lemme get the body count up a little higher first." Just one more level and I'll go to sleep.

the media was more than willing to not talk about it.
Translation: the media didn't notice a couple of loony batshits making a 1700-signature time-wasting joke petition, because the media is largely made up of sane people who don't draw links between assassinating muslim savages with the asterisk of having an American birth certificate, and Orwellian police states.
 

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I'm not talking about the petition. I'm talking about drone strikes in general that kill 49 innocent people to get one suspect, one suspect that may or may not have done something. The media did talk about it when Bush was water boarding suspects and libs wanted him arrested for war crimes but now that Obama takes out villages with children to get one suspect the media is silent on it and liberals vote for 4 more years of it.
 

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Maybe if he starts attacking Gitmo with drones we will finally make some progess with those promises!
 

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You're a fucking dope.
:haha7: Atta boy! I knew you couldn't hold out for much longer.

Some people are stupid. Some people are full of shit. And some people are fuckin' nuts. Kirk is all 3. But the media's only 2 of those.
 

mills

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I'm not talking about the petition. I'm talking about drone strikes in general that kill 49 innocent people to get one suspect, one suspect that may or may not have done something. The media did talk about it when Bush was water boarding suspects and libs wanted him arrested for war crimes but now that Obama takes out villages with children to get one suspect the media is silent on it and liberals vote for 4 more years of it.
Big shock you completely changed the point you were focusing on from one post to the next.

In the first one it was all about kill lists and US citizenship. If only 1 out of 50 blowed up savages is presumed guilty but he's not an American, it's a case that has nothing to do with anything you were talking about in your other post. This second one has to do with issues that are 4-10 years old.
 

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:haha7: Atta boy! I knew you couldn't hold out for much longer.

Some people are stupid. Some people are full of shit. And some people are fuckin' nuts. Kirk is all 3. But the media's only 2 of those.
I see what you're saying, but the media is just as bad.
 

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It's fucked up that the President of the United States has a list that he uses to personally decide the life or death of others. Obama should be in prison for the rest of his life.
 

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It's fucked up that the President of the United States has a list that he uses to personally decide the life or death of others. Obama should be in prison for the rest of his life.
And they all move in to that role so easily, too. Bush was used to it with his Texas electric chair, and so was Clinton, the other Bush was CIA and hopefully took out a few spooks. Obama shows up after doing nothing in his life and starts picking the hits from the chart without a second of hesitation.
 

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^^ See now with these two, it's hard to tell if it's #1, #3, or both 1 & 3.

It might be #1 only because their article reading comprehension sucks or is non-existent. Or #3 because they're still so inexplicably whipped into a frenzy by the election of (an average, realistically) president.
 

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And they all move in to that role so easily, too. Bush was used to it with his Texas electric chair, and so was Clinton, the other Bush was CIA and hopefully took out a few spooks. Obama shows up after doing nothing in his life and starts picking the hits from the chart without a second of hesitation.
Obama's letting the CIA run the show. Having to worry about wars isn't in his job description.
 

mills

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Don you might actually be the most sensible person in the thread for once.

And I absolutely agree it's not in his job description - more literally than you'd think. When it's white boy day, it's savage-invadin' time, and I voted for that in 04. It ain't time for white boy day again, not yet.
 

gleet

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Obama's letting the CIA run the show. Having to worry about wars isn't in his job description.
Fuck that. He loves picking the targets.
Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will


Pete Souza/The White House
President Obama in the Oval Office with Thomas E. Donilon, left, the national security adviser, and John O. Brennan, his top counterterrorism adviser.
By JO BECKER and SCOTT SHANE

Published: May 29, 2012


WASHINGTON — This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from the intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties. The mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook layout. Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who looked even younger than her 17 years....

“How old are these people?” he asked, according to two officials present. “If they are starting to use children,” he said of Al Qaeda, “we are moving into a whole different phase.”
It was not a theoretical question: Mr. Obama has placed himself at the helm of a top secret “nominations” process to designate terrorists for kill or capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical. He had vowed to align the fight against Al Qaeda with American values; the chart, introducing people whose deaths he might soon be asked to order, underscored just what a moral and legal conundrum this could be.
Mr. Obama is the liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war and torture, and then insisted on approving every new name on an expanding “kill list,” poring over terrorist suspects’ biographies on what one official calls the macabre “baseball cards” of an unconventional war. When a rare opportunity for a drone strike at a top terrorist arises — but his family is with him — it is the president who has reserved to himself the final moral calculation.
“He is determined that he will make these decisions about how far and wide these operations will go,” said Thomas E. Donilon, his national security adviser. “His view is that he’s responsible for the position of the United States in the world.” He added, “He’s determined to keep the tether pretty short.....

They describe a paradoxical leader who shunned the legislative deal-making required to close the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, but approves lethal action without hand-wringing. While he was adamant about narrowing the fight and improving relations with the Muslim world, he has followed the metastasizing enemy into new and dangerous lands. When he applies his lawyering skills to counterterrorism, it is usually to enable, not constrain, his ferocious campaign against Al Qaeda — even when it comes to killing an American cleric in Yemen, a decision that Mr. Obama told colleagues was “an easy one.”

His first term has seen private warnings from top officials about a “Whac-A-Mole” approach to counterterrorism; the invention of a new category of aerial attack following complaints of careless targeting; and presidential acquiescence in a formula for counting civilian deaths that some officials think is skewed to produce low numbers. ”

and so on. It's a long article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/w...-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
 

Norm Stansfield

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The rulebook should be the same one used in WW2:

1. If you see an enemy, attack with everything you have.
2. Are you stupid? Stop reading this shit, and start killing people. It's a war, not a sports competition. There are no rules.