Discussion in 'Current Events' started by SOS, Jun 16, 2011.
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that it only takes one or two people to manage 20-30 ATM machines, each of which makes the same number of transactions of 5-10 tellers. The ATM inudstry can go suck a dick with their oversensitivity.
I didn't see the President's quote in context, but if he really was blaming automation for unemployment, he's an even bigger dunce than I thought - Does he think Henry Ford invented the fucking assembly line last year or something? And for that matter, ATM's have existed for what - at least 10 - 15 years in their current proliferation. I'm pretty sure the banking industry has had time to react.
I'm sure our state has nothing to with the massive spending and government intrusion into our lives. Nope. ATM machines.
Do bank tellers have a union? That works explain why Barry suddenly gives a shit about their lost jobs.
They have a credit union.
Haven't ATM machines been around for 25 years?
I forget where it was, but I heard someone quoting the number of tellers the year prior to atms, then sometime between then and now they gave the number of atms, the number of people employed in making, selling, and maintaining atms along with the number of tellers.
The net of this is that saying that technology is dumb.
longer than that, i rememeber being like 4 or 5 and my mom getting money out of the magic machine. I think we had a tillie teller at least 30 years ago
found this: "First National Bank of Atlanta, a Wachovia predecessor, was concerned that the relatively new automated teller machine (ATM) it introduced in 1974 would appear cold and difficult to use."
that the one my mom used with the weird computer lady face on it.
40 years. The inventor died last year and I remember posting a thread about it here.
Here it is in context:
So he didn't take a "swipe" at ATM manufacturers, just stated a fact. And it was a response to Ann's question about businesses "hiring" more machines than people. He's not calling for a ban on ATMs, just trying to "identify" where the jobs of the future may be. Disagree with his road to get there or his policies, but what he said was factually correct. Automation eliminates certain jobs and creates others. Some have net positive effects, some have net negative effects in terms of the number of "actual people" they employ, but everyone's lives are usually more improved for the better.
It's amazing how the right wingers have totally distorted this into some war on ATM manufacturers or banks. He even acknowledges that they're doing what they should be doing: Making whatever decisions they think are necessary for their businesses.
/and resume fauxrage....
Something's gotta come along to replace the outrage over dijon mustard, ipods as gifts and mom jeans
There's what you think you know, and then there's reality.
Red coloring for material quoted in the original text.
Thank you, Mr. President, for grasping basic economic realities. Or not.
Has everyone figured out that he doesn't know what he's doing? I seriously thought there was a chance that he could do something in office. Really. He gave a great speech, and if he was able to give enough of them he could possibly convince people that the economy was fine and turn things around.
And in the end, that was his only chance at success. Because it's damn sure his policies won't do the job.
So he didn't take a swipe at technology, he just proposed yet another government commission to study "job creation". That's sooo much better. :icon_roll
It would have been more credible if he cited the automated store checkout systems.
Wouldn't have worked with the clever 'swipe' headline though. Maybe he could have scanned the situation.
Laughing when the POTUS says something we find ludicrous does not equate to 'fauxrage'. Keep overusing the meme though, before you know it it'll have as much credibility as accusations of racism do.
Speaking of reality, where exactly is he saying anything that's not true? Sure there are more bank tellers AND ATM machines, but how many more BANKS are there since 1985? Not only that, but there are ATM machines in places where putting up a bank would be impractical. A casino, a 7-11, a bar, an airport, etc.
And why is it so hard to grasp that the argument he's making is that it's made those businesses MORE efficient. His own words (I highlighted it in red for you):
Again, what is ludicrous is you twisting his words to find some bullshit meaning behind them. What's the part you disagree with that HE SPECIFICALLY SAID, not what some right-wing pundit spit back at you?
So what part of what Barry said isn't ludicrous and worthy of ridicule? The part where he takes no blame for the shit economy? The part where he wants to "study" some more? Or the part where he says this is just a temporary downturn?
That's all a valid argument, I even mentioned that. The right wing spinning this as a War on ATMs is not.
He was asked, "why have you been unable to convince businesses to hire more people?"
He answered (in part), "a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers. You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM; you don't go to a bank teller. Or you go to the airport, and you're using a kiosk instead of checking in at the gate.
Ergo, he's saying the reason he was unable to convince businesses to hire more people is (in part) because businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers (ie: ATM and airport kiosks).
How is that not clear?
That IS NOT IN ANY WAY the reason why he was unable to convince businesses to hire more people. It's nothing more than a very lame excuse and deflection from the question. The real reason why he is unable to convince businesses to hire more people has been well documented for the last 2 1/2 years on this very messageboard.
Not to mention your hyperbole about accusing right-wingers of seriously thinking Obama is declaring war on ATMs and trying to ban them is equally ludicrous.
I think they're taking more as an illustration of his ignorance than a "war" on ATMs.
Ass to mouth is pretty nasty, I agree with the president on this one.
And how is that not a fact?
A semi-deflection. He's trying to point out the challenges of a leaner, faster, smarter business climate. Making sure the capital investments are flowing into areas that take advantage of that. He admits that jobs haven't come back as much as they had "hoped."
And because of how cheap technology and manufacturing has become, and costs associated with hiring living-breathing-people have gone up, business are reacting to that and choosing technology over humans because it makes more fiscal sense. Again, who's going to argue that?
I'm not the one who started a thread about Obama taking a "swipe" at ATMs. And do a Google search on it. It's all about how he somehow thinks ATMs are bad for business, when he was actually extolling their virtues by saying how they've made businesses more efficient. Why is that so hard to grasp?
Ignorance on what? That technological advances have made our workforce more efficient?
He can knock all the automation he wants, his and other big government policies have driven away jobs by over regulating employers with too many mandates.
he doesn't understand that the only reason someone starts a business is to make a profit
not to be a caretaker of employees.
he just thinks they should just supply everything a worker needs for their life and worry about staying in business later.
and it seems whenever he goes to one of his supporters businesses to do some big hoopla about his achievements, that business closes soon after.
so apparently they are such big libs themselves and prove they do not know anything about running a business either
Next thing you know, they're going to start doing shit like having people ring up their own items at grocery stores.
Ignorance on what creates jobs. Creating commissions to study how to make jobs does not make jobs. Bashing business every time someone puts a camera or microphone in front of him doesn't create jobs. Spending trillions of dollars we don't have doesn't create jobs.
Of course, he knows all this. The truth is he doesn't WANT to create jobs.
This just in...
Sarah Palin blames the invention of the VCR for the low employment numbers. She questions how we can reasonably expect everyone be able to get a job because now there are less movie theaters for people to work in due to the fact that people can watch movies at home.
Yes, because that's a great 2012 election strategy. :icon_roll: