Obama to push universal preschool proposal, aka. More Free Shit

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Obama to push universal preschool proposal

Two days after his State of the Union pledge to guarantee high quality preschool for every 4-year-old in the U.S., President Barack Obama takes his pitch on the road on Thursday to an Atlanta suburb where he will deliver a speech on the issue at a local recreation center.

Obama cast his preschool plan as a way to bring low-income and minority children up to speed with higher-income children—a move he says would save taxpayer money and give those children greater opportunity to succeed over their lifetimes.

"Every dollar we invest in high-quality early childhood education can save more than seven dollars later on by boosting graduation rates, reducing teen pregnancy, even reducing violent crime," Obama said in his State of the Union remarks. "In states that make it a priority to educate our youngest children, like Georgia or Oklahoma, studies show students grow up more likely to read and do math at grade level, graduate high school, hold a job, form more stable families of their own."

The president is set to speak at 1:20 p.m. ET at the Decatur Community Recreation Center, after a tour of a local pre-kindergarten classroom.

According to a fact sheet released by the White House on Thursday morning, Obama's preschool plan would create a new federal-state cost-sharing partnership to guarantee high-quality preschool to all low- and moderate-income 4-year-old children, including families that earn up to 200 percent of the poverty level. The program would be extended to middle-class families who may pay on a sliding scale, and would incentivize full-day kindergarten.

The Department of Education will allocate funds to states based on the number of 4-year-olds in each state who qualify. Standards for preschools will include "well-trained teachers, who are paid comparably to K-12 staff," as well as small class size and a rigorous curriculum.

White House officials said the new preschool proposal will not replace or destroy the current Head Start early education government program. Instead, a new early Head Start program will be created to support communities affected by the new preschool proposal.

The White House has not released cost estimates for the new preschool plan. The president has said this proposal and others announced in his address would not add to the federal deficit.
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That's something I completely agree with. Many kids in poorer situations are like feral children their first year of school.

Would you rather these kids be at home watching BET learning how to steal your car?

 

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Why not just throw them in indoctrination,I mean school, the second they pop out?
 

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The federal government does not need to be in control of preschool.
 

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Is this like "Head Start"?
White House officials said the new preschool proposal will not replace or destroy the current Head Start early education government program. Instead, a new early Head Start program will be created to support communities affected by the new preschool proposal.

:action-sm

That's something I completely agree with. Many kids in poorer situations are like feral children their first year of school.

Would you rather these kids be at home watching BET learning how to steal your car?

Very creative gif you've got there Chino. ;)
 

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Oh for fuck's sake...if we want to spend money on these kids...first fix the fuckin schools and the quality of teachers dummy. You're likely not going to prevent a teen pregnancy or dropout by wasting money (teacher's unions should be happy though) on preschool programs for those low-income, minority kids. Most of these low-income, minority kids are already destined to wind up in the more crappy schools, where regardless of whether or not they were eased into Kindergarten, they're still going to develop alot of the bad habits and get into trouble later in life.

And many states already offer Pre-K services...open for parents who believe that their kid won't be cognitively and intellectually ready for Kindergarten. It's called developmental delay. If they feel the kid will be behind come Kindergarten, the kid will be enrolled and "eased" into school via the preschool program. Honestly...I could've used something like that when I was a kid. One day I'm at home watching Sesame Street, Heathcliff, and He-man and playing with my toys...next day I'm shoved on a school bus to go to Kindergarten with this bitch of a teacher that I know nothing about and snotty kids all around me. It's not an easy transition for kids, BUT THEY LEARN TO ADAPT WHEN THEY'RE IN A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT. Perhaps my own parents could've done a better job to prepare me, but I digress. I eventually adapted and understood that I needed to be there and meet friends and learn. It'd be a different story if I was in some run down, inner city school, surrounded by peers that are full of problems.
 

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Oh for fuck's sake...if we want to spend money on these kids...first fix the fuckin schools and the quality of teachers dummy. You're likely not going to prevent a teen pregnancy or dropout by wasting money (teacher's unions should be happy though) on preschool programs for those low-income, minority kids. Most of these low-income, minority kids are already destined to wind up in the more crappy schools, where regardless of whether or not they were eased into Kindergarten, they're still going to develop alot of the bad habits and get into trouble later in life.

And many states already offer Pre-K services...open for parents who believe that their kid won't be cognitively and intellectually ready for Kindergarten. It's called developmental delay. If they feel the kid will be behind come Kindergarten, the kid will be enrolled and "eased" into school via the preschool program. Honestly...I could've used something like that when I was a kid. One day I'm at home watching Sesame Street, Heathcliff, and He-man and playing with my toys...next day I'm shoved on a school bus to go to Kindergarten with this bitch of a teacher that I know nothing about and snotty kids all around me. It's not an easy transition for kids, BUT THEY LEARN TO ADAPT WHEN THEY'RE IN A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT. Perhaps my own parents could've done a better job to prepare me, but I digress. I eventually adapted and understood that I needed to be there and meet friends and learn. It'd be a different story if I was in some run down, inner city school, surrounded by peers that are full of problems.
Education spending on inner city schools doesn't equal better education or better-bahaved savages... not even almost.

The best-funded inner city schools in the nation... Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, etc... have the poorest performance and the highest dropout rates. The shitty thug culture is too powerful to overcome with mere education spending... you can't even pay the savages to behave and learn.

It's a complete white-guilt myth that inner city schools are underfunded... they're some the best-funded school systems in the nation.

Money spent on inner city education is money wasted... and the more you spend, the more you waste.
 

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I'm sure it will be just as successful as the union ran public schools. Get 20 kids in a room, figure out who is the dumbest and lower the standards to that kid so he/she has self esteem.
 

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I'm sure it will be just as successful as the union ran public schools. Get 20 kids in a room, figure out who is the dumbest and lower the standards to that kid so he/she has self esteem.
Says "that kid".
 

BIV

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That's something I completely agree with. Many kids in poorer situations are like feral children their first year of school.

Would you rather these kids be at home watching BET learning how to steal your car?

Yes. This should not be done federally. Make the shitty states pay for their shitty schools and shitty students.
 

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Education spending on inner city schools doesn't equal better education or better-bahaved savages... not even almost.

The best-funded inner city schools in the nation... Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, etc... have the poorest performance and the highest dropout rates. The shitty thug culture is too powerful to overcome with mere education spending... you can't even pay the savages to behave and learn.

It's a complete white-guilt myth that inner city schools are underfunded... they're some the best-funded school systems in the nation.

Money spent on inner city education is money wasted... and the more you spend, the more you waste.
2008 spending per pupil in Harrisburg, PA, school district (rated #497 out of 497 school districts that year): $16,447
2008 spending per pupil in Cumberland Valley, PA, school district (rated #24 out of 497 school districts that year): $12,633.80

That ~$3,800 a year must be buying a lot of free school breakfasts and lunches, I guess.

For every school that Wiki has student:teacher ratio stats, CV has more students/teacher. Not ridiculously drastic, but a significant difference of 14:1 for CV's middle schools and high school while the Harrisburg schools are mostly motoring along at 11:1, a much "better" ratio. A couple of H'burg schools have up to 14:1 ratios, but they're actually the ones that are (relatively speaking) doing better.

And mind you, CV built a brand new elementary school and middle school, almost completely rebuilt the high school (they kept the swimming pool and the gym), and put up acres of solar panels on campus, and all of that cost is included in that $12,633.80 spending per student from 2008. Meanwhile, Harrisburg High is a building that's older than the oldest CV school, with no ability to perform basic maintenance, let alone rebuild the school.

I know I talk about these two examples a lot on here, but I'm a fucking landlord in Harrisburg and have to piss money down that shitty fucking SD every year in property taxes, and I went to CV for high school. It pisses me off to no end that my money is being thrown the fuck away in Harrisburg for a fucking union jobs program that results in nothing. Fuck.

Dammit, I'm willing to pay more in taxes for a good product. Do you hear that? I'm a conservative, and I'm willing to pay more in taxes. I am. I really, really am. I'm damn near eager to do so! But give me a fucking product I can be proud of, you cocksucking assholes!!!! Give me something for my fucking money!

If the kids won't learn, then stop spending so much trying to force them. It's not worth the effort. Abandon the little shits and spend the money on prisons instead.
 

MrAbovePar

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In my school it was always 20-30 students per teacher. I turned out as a god damned genius.

They segregated us internally initially in later elementary and through high school though. There were three groups. Gifted/Honors/Everyone else. Gifted kids got to experiment a bit more and do a lot of independent study. Honors kids had the same curriculum but a bit broader demands. The "everyone else" just had to show up and do homework. From the people I kept in touch the majority of the Gifted and honors kids turned into productive citizens with varied careers that tended towards professional work. The "everyone else" was a mixed bag. Some disappeared seemingly completely. I assume porn and criminal careers.

This was in Louisiana schools so go figure.
 

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Your candles? They're on my fuckin' cake!
 

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all head start is is free babysitting. my buddies wife works for them and what she does is drive around and pick up wetback kids at the wee hours of the morning, like 4:30AM so their wetback parents can get on their taxpayer supported ride sharing wetback vans and go pick something.

she says they teach them stuff like how to comb their hair, brush their teefs, ite their shoes and so on.

this is their parents job

head start should be gotten rid of