Discussion in 'Current Events' started by BIV, Feb 14, 2013.
Is this like "Head Start"?
That's something I completely agree with. Many kids in poorer situations are like feral children their first year of school.
Would you rather these kids be at home watching BET learning how to steal your car?
Why not just throw them in indoctrination,I mean school, the second they pop out?
Spendamania runnin wild!
Whatcha gonna do?
The federal government does not need to be in control of preschool.
Very creative gif you've got there Chino.
tl;dr. I skim most articles. Why read when I can get dummies to highlight the answer for me?
Oh for fuck's sake...if we want to spend money on these kids...first fix the fuckin schools and the quality of teachers dummy. You're likely not going to prevent a teen pregnancy or dropout by wasting money (teacher's unions should be happy though) on preschool programs for those low-income, minority kids. Most of these low-income, minority kids are already destined to wind up in the more crappy schools, where regardless of whether or not they were eased into Kindergarten, they're still going to develop alot of the bad habits and get into trouble later in life.
And many states already offer Pre-K services...open for parents who believe that their kid won't be cognitively and intellectually ready for Kindergarten. It's called developmental delay. If they feel the kid will be behind come Kindergarten, the kid will be enrolled and "eased" into school via the preschool program. Honestly...I could've used something like that when I was a kid. One day I'm at home watching Sesame Street, Heathcliff, and He-man and playing with my toys...next day I'm shoved on a school bus to go to Kindergarten with this bitch of a teacher that I know nothing about and snotty kids all around me. It's not an easy transition for kids, BUT THEY LEARN TO ADAPT WHEN THEY'RE IN A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT. Perhaps my own parents could've done a better job to prepare me, but I digress. I eventually adapted and understood that I needed to be there and meet friends and learn. It'd be a different story if I was in some run down, inner city school, surrounded by peers that are full of problems.
... when the $12 trillion deficits run wild on YOU!
Education spending on inner city schools doesn't equal better education or better-bahaved savages... not even almost.
The best-funded inner city schools in the nation... Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, etc... have the poorest performance and the highest dropout rates. The shitty thug culture is too powerful to overcome with mere education spending... you can't even pay the savages to behave and learn.
It's a complete white-guilt myth that inner city schools are underfunded... they're some the best-funded school systems in the nation.
Money spent on inner city education is money wasted... and the more you spend, the more you waste.
I'm sure it will be just as successful as the union ran public schools. Get 20 kids in a room, figure out who is the dumbest and lower the standards to that kid so he/she has self esteem.
Says "that kid".
Blowing out my candle will not make yours shine brighter.
The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long, and I have burned very, very brightly.
It would if both candles were in a sealed container.
Yes. This should not be done federally. Make the shitty states pay for their shitty schools and shitty students.
Either way it's more spending that nobody has the money for.
Open up that wallet again fucker.
2008 spending per pupil in Harrisburg, PA, school district (rated #497 out of 497 school districts that year): $16,447
2008 spending per pupil in Cumberland Valley, PA, school district (rated #24 out of 497 school districts that year): $12,633.80
That ~$3,800 a year must be buying a lot of free school breakfasts and lunches, I guess.
For every school that Wiki has student:teacher ratio stats, CV has more students/teacher. Not ridiculously drastic, but a significant difference of 14:1 for CV's middle schools and high school while the Harrisburg schools are mostly motoring along at 11:1, a much "better" ratio. A couple of H'burg schools have up to 14:1 ratios, but they're actually the ones that are (relatively speaking) doing better.
And mind you, CV built a brand new elementary school and middle school, almost completely rebuilt the high school (they kept the swimming pool and the gym), and put up acres of solar panels on campus, and all of that cost is included in that $12,633.80 spending per student from 2008. Meanwhile, Harrisburg High is a building that's older than the oldest CV school, with no ability to perform basic maintenance, let alone rebuild the school.
I know I talk about these two examples a lot on here, but I'm a fucking landlord in Harrisburg and have to piss money down that shitty fucking SD every year in property taxes, and I went to CV for high school. It pisses me off to no end that my money is being thrown the fuck away in Harrisburg for a fucking union jobs program that results in nothing. Fuck.
Dammit, I'm willing to pay more in taxes for a good product. Do you hear that? I'm a conservative, and I'm willing to pay more in taxes. I am. I really, really am. I'm damn near eager to do so! But give me a fucking product I can be proud of, you cocksucking assholes!!!! Give me something for my fucking money!
If the kids won't learn, then stop spending so much trying to force them. It's not worth the effort. Abandon the little shits and spend the money on prisons instead.
In my school it was always 20-30 students per teacher. I turned out as a god damned genius.
They segregated us internally initially in later elementary and through high school though. There were three groups. Gifted/Honors/Everyone else. Gifted kids got to experiment a bit more and do a lot of independent study. Honors kids had the same curriculum but a bit broader demands. The "everyone else" just had to show up and do homework. From the people I kept in touch the majority of the Gifted and honors kids turned into productive citizens with varied careers that tended towards professional work. The "everyone else" was a mixed bag. Some disappeared seemingly completely. I assume porn and criminal careers.
This was in Louisiana schools so go figure.
What are your candles doing on my cake?
Your candles? They're on my fuckin' cake!
all head start is is free babysitting. my buddies wife works for them and what she does is drive around and pick up wetback kids at the wee hours of the morning, like 4:30AM so their wetback parents can get on their taxpayer supported ride sharing wetback vans and go pick something.
she says they teach them stuff like how to comb their hair, brush their teefs, ite their shoes and so on.
this is their parents job
head start should be gotten rid of