Obama's UN Global Anti-Terror Forum. Guess Who's In, And Guess Who's Out

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Kinda like Guess the Race, but infinitely more predictable.

OBAMA’S GLOBAL ANTI-TERROR FORUM EXCLUDING ISRAEL SET TO UNVEIL AT U.N. SUMMIT

President Obama’s highly-touted Global Counterterrorism Forum will be unveiled next week at the United Nations summit, and there are already troubling signs that the multinational bureaucracy will placate Israel’s opponents and make excuses for pro-terrorist stances among its membership in order to appear multilateral.

Israel– the country in the world under most direct threat from terrorism and with arguably the most expertise in counterterrorism efforts– will not be among the 30 founding countries of the Global Counterterrorism Forum (GCTF).

Among the founding members are the following nations: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Indonesia, and the United Arab Emirates.

In particular, Turkey will play a large role in the GCTF, as it is scheduled to co-chair the inaugural meeting. It must be noted that Turkey’s relationship with Israel has been under tremendous strain recently, as the Turkish government engages in direct talks with Hamas. In fact, its Prime Minister, Erdogan, defends the terrorist group, and has stated Turkey will send warships alongside the next “aid flotilla” that tries to break the Gaza blockade.

Despite some questionable membership, the U.S. State Department’s website touts the GCTF mission as providing a:

“needed venue for national CT officials and practitioners to meet with their counterparts from key countries in different regions to share CT experiences, expertise, strategies, capacity needs, and capacity-building programs. The GCTF will prioritize civilian capacity building in areas such as rule of law, border management, and countering violent extremism.”
It is not clear yet whether Israel was ever asked to be a founding member of the GCTF. However, the State Department website says part of the GCTF’s plans include “the intention to create the first-ever multilateral training and research center focused on countering violent extremism, which would be based in the Gulf region.”​

As Israeli passports– and even a foreign passport with an Israeli stamp inside– can prohibit entry into Gulf States, it would appear unlikely Israeli politicians and experts would, or could, participate in the forum anyway.
See, but this isn't the reason Jews are jumping the Obama ship, it's because Jews only care about money. :icon_cool
 

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I....apparently have no opinion.
 

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It's kinda like having Cuba and Saudi Arabia on the UN Human Rights Council.

I know the issue is close to home, but I really don't get the pandering to the Jewish vote that goes on. The Jewish population in America accounts for 1.4% of the country, but they get way more than their share of political attention. I understand the alliance with Israel, just not the constant reassurances to the Jewish voters that we are good allies with Israel. On the same note, unions only represent about 5% of all Americans, but you would thing that 98% of the people who vote democrat are in a union. They spend way too much time assuring these two groups that they are on their side, instead of going after the 93% of the country that doesn't give a shit about Israel or unions. Ok, enough of my off-topic ranting. Sorry.
 

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It's kinda like having Cuba and Saudi Arabia on the UN Human Rights Council.
Yup.

I know the issue is close to home, but I really don't get the pandering to the Jewish vote that goes on. The Jewish population in America accounts for 1.4% of the country, but they get way more than their share of political attention. I understand the alliance with Israel, just not the constant reassurances to the Jewish voters that we are good allies with Israel. On the same note, unions only represent about 5% of all Americans, but you would thing that 98% of the people who vote democrat are in a union. They spend way too much time assuring these two groups that they are on their side, instead of going after the 93% of the country that doesn't give a shit about Israel or unions. Ok, enough of my off-topic ranting. Sorry.
Well, one reason would be money (true for Jews and Unions), but actually it is more pandering to the pro-Israel vote than the Jewish vote. Jews have generally voted Democrat over the past few decades regardless of the position on Israel, not to mention that some of the most rabid Anti-Israelis in this country are Jewish. Pro-Israel Americans (around 70% of the past 30 or so years) have historically voted either Republican or Pro-Israel Democrat. It's actually more an issue of international allies vs. trying to make new friends and foreign policy decisions in general. If Obama started shitting on South Korea and kissing Kim Jong Il's ass, many of the same people would be outraged, myself included.
 

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I've been working in my parents backyard for some time now, i've made neighborhoods for the Arabs out of Legos and Duplo blocks, they can move there in a few years.


The ghettos will be made out of Tyco block.
 

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I've been working in my parents backyard for some time now, i've made neighborhoods for the Arabs out of Legos and Duplo blocks, they can move there in a few years.


The ghettos will be made out of Tyco block.
I don't know how you manage to make me fucking laugh with almost every one of your posts. #shredding is one of my favorites.

Well, one reason would be money (true for Jews and Unions), but actually it is more pandering to the pro-Israel vote than the Jewish vote. Jews have generally voted Democrat over the past few decades regardless of the position on Israel, not to mention that some of the most rabid Anti-Israelis in this country are Jewish. Pro-Israel Americans (around 70% of the past 30 or so years) have historically voted either Republican or Pro-Israel Democrat. It's actually more an issue of international allies vs. trying to make new friends and foreign policy decisions in general. If Obama started shitting on South Korea and kissing Kim Jong Il's ass, many of the same people would be outraged, myself included.
I guess that makes sense, but I didn't really figure that a Pro-Israel stance is that big of a deal to most voters. Certainly not a big enough deal to get a Republican to switch parties or vice versa.
 

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I know the issue is close to home, but I really don't get the pandering to the Jewish vote that goes on. The Jewish population in America accounts for 1.4% of the country
It's not about Jewish solidarity, it's about shared values. We support Israel because it's the only civilized nation in the region.
 

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I guess that makes sense, but I didn't really figure that a Pro-Israel stance is that big of a deal to most voters. Certainly not a big enough deal to get a Republican to switch parties or vice versa.
It doesn't exist in a vacuum. Usually the Pro-Israel politicians represent a certain line of foreign policy, and the Anti-Israel politicians represent another. It is just more visible than other topics because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a central world affairs topic.
 

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By the way, Josh - Don't forget that plenty of Christians care a lot about Israel. Currently, Israel is a largely safe and stable place that welcomes Christian visitors, and allows freedom of worship. The Muslims are less known for those qualities. Many Christians don't like the idea of Muslims controlling Christian Holy sites like the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, considering their past record with other religions in Jerusalem.
 

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Isn't the point of this thing to supposedly get these nations with their homegrown violent extremists to better identify and deal with that? And that some of them have positive diplomatic relations with more hardcore countries that actually sponsor terrorism? So by inviting the pariah to the party, wouldn't that just make more nations unlikely to participate?

And then there's this:

As Israeli passports– and even a foreign passport with an Israeli stamp inside– can prohibit entry into Gulf States, it would appear unlikely Israeli politicians and experts would, or could, participate in the forum anyway.
So it sounds like a logistical nightmare anyway. And it's not like we don't share intelligence and CT techniques with the Israelis already.

I'm calling it...



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I guess that makes sense, but I didn't really figure that a Pro-Israel stance is that big of a deal to most voters. Certainly not a big enough deal to get a Republican to switch parties or vice versa.
It's the only international issue that's been in the news on a weekly basis, for the past 60+ years. I think it's clear by now that Americans really, really care about what happens in Israel. We care more than we care about any place on Earth, outside the US, and probably more than quite a few places inside the US.
 

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Isn't the point of this thing to supposedly get these nations with their homegrown violent extremists to better identify and deal with that? And that some of them have positive diplomatic relations with more hardcore countries that actually sponsor terrorism? So by inviting the pariah to the party, wouldn't that just make more nations unlikely to participate?
There are 30 countries in that forum. Plenty of them are Western nations. It's about bilateralism, and if those countries were serious about counterterrorism, they would want to learn from the best.

And then there's this:

So it sounds like a logistical nightmare anyway. And it's not like we don't share intelligence and CT techniques with the Israelis already.
Why exactly did they have to base it in a place that doesn't allow Israelis? And read my above quote. It's not about Israel learning. It's about Israel teaching.

I'm calling it...



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I don't get it.



By the way, partycock - are you being a contrarian simply for the sake of being a contrarian, or do you really think this is the right way to go about it?
 

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It's the only international issue that's been in the news on a weekly basis, for the past 60+ years. I think it's clear by now that Americans really, really care about what happens in Israel. We care more than we care about any place on Earth, outside the US, and probably more than quite a few places inside the US.
I understand that it is an often mentioned topic, but I don't think the younger voter base really gives much of a shit about it. American politicians care very much what happens to Israel, as do Christians (like Neon said) but both of those demographics tend to be older and out of touch with what the mainstream of the newer generation cares about. Of course most Americans don't want to see anything bad happen to Israel, but it is becoming less and less of an issue for younger people. I would bet that if you did a survey of voters under 35 you would find that very few would say that Israel's future should be a significant factor in the formulation of our foreign policy.
 

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There are 30 countries in that forum. Plenty of them are Western nations. It's about bilateralism, and if those countries were serious about counterterrorism, they would want to learn from the best.
It'd be like inviting Steinbrenner to your baseball fantasy league draft. Sure he's probably an expert on the topic but everybody that's not a Yankees fan hates him and wouldn't want to show up.

Why exactly did they have to base it in a place that doesn't allow Israelis? And read my above quote. It's not about Israel learning. It's about Israel teaching.
It's not.
"The forum will not be a mechanism where intelligence is shared, but it aims to be an international platform to combat every type of terrorism, diplomatic sources said.
Like I said, I think it's just some bullshit feel-good UN type initiative designed to steer native Muslim populations away from extremism.

I don't get it.
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By the way, partycock - are you being a contrarian simply for the sake of being a contrarian, or do you really think this is the right way to go about it?
If Israel was announced as a "partner," how many of those 30 would have dropped out? Probably just about every one of the Muzzie countries. Even Jordan, Egypt and Turkey's relationships with Israel have strained lately and they would have probably bowed out.

And it looks like there may be a loophole for Israel to be represented without being officially on the masthead.

Initial working groups will focus on: 1) the criminal justice sector and rule of law; 2) countering violent extremism; 3) capacity building in the Sahel; 4) capacity building in The Horn Region; and 5) capacity building in Southeast Asia.

In addition, relevant non-GCTF member states and other relevant stakeholders, including the United Nations, regional and sub-regional bodies, and non-government experts, will be invited to participate in the appropriate working group(s) and/or working group activities.
 

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If Israel was announced as a "partner," how many of those 30 would have dropped out? Probably just about every one of the Muzzie countries. Even Jordan, Egypt and Turkey's relationships with Israel have strained lately and they would have probably bowed out.
See, that's what I don't get. You are basically caving to bullies. They won't sit at the table with Israel (even countries that have no direct beef with it), so the answer is to just not invite Israel? How is that smart foreign policy? You are already opening the door to fucking bullshit by caving to such a childish demand to begin with. You're right, it's a bullshit UN thing, and Obama shouldn't have touched it with a 50 foot pole, let alone put his name all over it.

And it looks like there may be a loophole for Israel to be represented without being officially on the masthead.
Exactly. Use the back door, Jew. That way the Islamists can exploit your knowledge while saving face with their savage populations.
 

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See, that's what I don't get. You are basically caving to bullies. They won't sit at the table with Israel (even countries that have no direct beef with it), so the answer is to just not invite Israel? How is that smart foreign policy? You are already opening the door to fucking bullshit by caving to such a childish demand to begin with. You're right, it's a bullshit UN thing, and Obama shouldn't have touched it with a 50 foot pole, let alone put his name all over it.
Amen. The only announcement I want to hear about the UN is that the U.S. is pulling out.
 

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See, that's what I don't get. You are basically caving to bullies. They won't sit at the table with Israel (even countries that have no direct beef with it), so the answer is to just not invite Israel? How is that smart foreign policy?
Because then it doesn't happen at all and nothing gets done (not that anything will anyway).

Exactly. Use the back door, Jew. That way the Islamists can exploit your knowledge while saving face with their savage populations.
 

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Exactly. Use the back door, Jew. That way the Islamists can exploit your knowledge while saving face with their savage populations.
But those fucking mouthy fags should be happy with their civil unions, quit bitching about a simple word like "marriage", right?

It would be interesting to see what other countries affected by terrorism were excluded. Does Norway have a seat?
 

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A. I never said that.
B. What the fuck does that have to do with this?
C. Troll is troll.
a. Never said you did
b. You seem to have a problem not with the actual activity but with the label associated with said activity. Sounds familiar
c. Are you going to call me fat now?