Oops: Red Jacket Firearms Loses Their FFL

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Oops: Red Jacket Firearms Loses Their FFL
Posted on December 23, 2011 by Dan Zimmerman

Red Jacket, the business featured in the Discovery Channel’s Sons of Guns “reality” show, has gotten themselves into hot water with our friends at the ATF. Seems their inventory system isn’t any better than their safety practices. The loss of the FFL, according to tmz.com, has resulted in the business’s owner, William Hayden, along with his daughter Stephanie, having to work for an employee in order to stay in business…

Things went swimmingly until 2009 … when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms conducted a routine inspection of RJF and discovered 10 guns registered to the company could not be accounted for … a big, BIG problem. We’re told the feds pinned the blame on William and Stephanie — and were looking to take serious action that could have resulted in the end of RJF.

But law enforcement sources tell us … the Hayden’s struck a deal with feds in 2010, in which the two agreed to surrender their gun-making licenses … and in exchange, they could appoint a LICENSED person to take over the company. It didn’t take long for William and Stephanie to pick their successor … they went with Vincent Buckles… — another gunsmith often featured on the reality show.

Buckles has evidently left the business, too, and now the Hayden’s have dug up another FFL holder to be the licensed firearms dealer for Red Jacket.

They’ll likely use anyone with a pulse – and an FFL – in order to keep the business going and the Discovery Channel dollars coming in. We’re sure that the Haydens avoiding a frog march and criminal charges had nothing at all to do with the fact that they have a television show. Guess no one ever told them the ATF can be sticklers about keeping track of guns. Unless they’re headed south of the border, that is.
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Guess no one ever told them the ATF can be sticklers about keeping track of guns. Unless they’re headed south of the border, that is.
Damn it. I was all geared up for a witty observation, right around that first period.
 

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Things went swimmingly until 2009 … when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms conducted a routine inspection of RJF and discovered 10 guns registered to the company could not be accounted for … a big, BIG problem.
What happened, did the ATF seize them to sell them to drug cartels?

They don't expect us to just forget that, do they?
 

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What happened, did the ATF seize them to sell them to drug cartels?

They don't expect us to just forget that, do they?
The two situations are completely different. RJF lost those missing guns where as the the ATF did not lose any guns...they just willingly gave them away to drug cartels.
 

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Losing guns is bad. Losing guns when you are a Title II manufacturer is much worse. I wonder if the lost guns were FA...
 

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Losing guns is bad. Losing guns when you are a Title II manufacturer is much worse. I wonder if the lost guns were FA...
I bet they were and I bet they are probably in the hands of some Discovery Channel execs right now.
 

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I bet they cannibalized the guns for parts or slung them under some other weapon and forgot to record them.
 

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I was watching a bit last night. I didn't realize you could build kit guns.
 

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I was watching a bit last night. I didn't realize you could build kit guns.
Yup. Only the receiver is serialized. You can buy a kit and a receiver and build it from there. You can build your own receiver also but the gun will be non-transferable. Also the ATF may get antsy about it if you make more than 1 or if you showboat it in public.
 

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The chick has a freaky jaw and a nasty gunt. Jast sayin'
 

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I bet they cannibalized the guns for parts or slung them under some other weapon and forgot to record them.

That's probably the most likely scenario



I see it all the time

"Go take that regulator off that Kenworth"

3 months later

"Who the hell took the regular off that Kenworth"
 

Hate & Discontent

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I was watching a bit last night. I didn't realize you could build kit guns.
Yup. Only the receiver is serialized. You can buy a kit and a receiver and build it from there. You can build your own receiver also but the gun will be non-transferable. Also the ATF may get antsy about it if you make more than 1 or if you showboat it in public.
Also, RJF is a Title II manufacturer, so they can build whatever the fuck they want, including FA. However, any FA weapons they build can only be sold or transferred to other Title II manufacturer, Class III dealer with LEO demo letter for the weapon, or a government agency.

So long as it doesnt meet the definition of any class of title II firearm (SBR, SBS, AOW, FA, DD, suppressor), you can build whatever you want. I know a couple of damned good gunsmiths that have both built guns from kits and unfinished receivers, and even from custom machined parts.
 

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Do you have to be a gunsmith to build a kit? Could I build a AR15 from kit?
 

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Do you have to be a gunsmith to build a kit? Could I build a AR15 from kit?
Depends on the gun. You sure as fuck need to know what youre doing on some guns, especially with unfinished receivers (Building an AK from an unfinished receiver and parts is a pretty serious process, due to all the riveting and welding). However, if you buy a finished AR receiver (Such as a stripped AR lower, which must go through a dealer as it's considered a firearm), it's pretty damn easy. Getting an UNfinished AR receiver requires a full on machine shop to complete, generally.

Either way, if you have the tools and knowhow, then go for it. No special licensing required, except if you plan to sell it (assuming you started from an unfinished receiver), you are making NFA items, or you are making a lot of them.
 

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Meh, the other show is better anyway...with a much hotter daughter.