opie's kid starting school at 3...

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why is he acting like he's gonna send his kid to the fucking bronx to get beat up by dominicans? how bad could the public school be around his neighborhood?

you don't have to get into a good pre school so you can get into a good elementary school.colleges don't give a shit where you went to school.just read to them,spend quality time with them,and get him some educational toys and river kid will be fine.
 

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^This is why.

;)
 

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An easy choice really...
 

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'Too much, too soon': Children should not start school until age six or seven, say education experts
  • 130 teachers and academics call for schooling to be delayed by two years
  • Warning that current system is causing young children 'profound damage'
  • Call was dismissed as 'misguided' by a spokesman for Michael Gove

By Sara Smyth

PUBLISHED: 19:51 EST, 11 September 2013 | UPDATED: 04:46 EST, 12 September 2013

Too much, too soon? According to a group of teachers and academics, these children shouldn't be starting school until the age of six or seven and not at four or five as the system currently requires

Children should not start primary school until they are six or seven-years-old, according to a coalition of education experts who warn of the damaging pressure to perform in class at a young age.

A letter written by 130 teachers, academics and authors said the UK should follow the Scandinavian model and put off formal lessons for two years.

Under the UK’s current system, children start full-time schooling at the age of four or five.

Experts say this is causing ‘profound damage’ in a generation which is not encouraged to learn through play.

But the call was last night dismissed by as ‘misguided’ by a spokesman for the Education Secretary Michael Gove.

Children in the UK are obliged by law to be in school aged five, which the lobby group said is creating a ‘too much, too soon’ culture.

The warning singled out recent government proposals which mean five year olds could be formally tested from the beginning of their schooling.

Under the current system, children are first assessed at the age of seven. But under Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg’s proposals, a ‘baseline’ test could be introduced in the first year of primary school.

The group of experts warned that monitoring a pupil’s progress from such a young age promotes stress and fear around learning.




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The letter said: ‘The continued focus on an early start to formal learning is likely to cause profound damage to the self-image and learning dispositions of a generation of children’.

A spokesman for Education Secretary Michael Gove said the group who wrote to the Daily Telegraph are promoting ‘bogus pop-psychology.’



Overwhelming: According to the group, starting formal lessons too early creates a fear of learning and puts too much pressure on younger children



These people represent the powerful and badly misguided lobby who are responsible for the devaluation of exams and the culture of low expectations in state schools,’ the spokesman said.

Sir Al Aynsley-Green, former Children’s Commissioner and one of those to sign the letter, said countries where children start school later, see better results.

He said: ‘If you look at a country like Finland, children don’t start formal, full-scale education until they are seven.





Dismissive: A spokesman for Education Secretary Michael Gove's (left) office described the calls as 'misguided', while Nick Clegg (right) has suggested 'baseline' tests for children in the first year of primary school



‘These extra few years, in my view, provide a crucial opportunity, when supported by well trained, well paid and highly educated staff, for children to be children’.

Other signatories of the letter include Lord Layard, director of the Well-Being Programme at the London School of Economics, Dr David Whitebread, senior lecturer in psychology of education at Cambridge University, and Catherine Prisk, director of Play England.

The Telegraph said the letter was circulated by the Save Childhood Movement, which will launch its Too Much, Too Soon campaign tomorrow.

It will reportedly call for reforms including play-based schooling for children between three and seven.
Wendy Ellyatt, the founding director of the movement, told the newspaper: 'Despite the fact that 90 per cent of countries in the world prioritise social and emotional learning and start formal schooling at six or seven, in England we seem grimly determined to cling on to the erroneous belief that starting sooner means better results later.

'There is nothing wrong with seeking high educational standards and accountability, but there is surely something very wrong indeed if this comes at the cost of natural development.'
 

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why is he acting like he's gonna send his kid to the fucking bronx to get beat up by dominicans? how bad could the public school be around his neighborhood?

you don't have to get into a good pre school so you can get into a good elementary school.colleges don't give a shit where you went to school.just read to them,spend quality time with them,and get him some educational toys and river kid will be fine.
You have no clue how school works in NYC.
 

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Did you know that the lack of proper grammar in your posts ruined your argument?
 
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No problem. Stay comfortable in your chicken farm.
it's a tradeoff,they can buy indonesian food and a chrystal chess set at 8am on sunday and i don't have to pay$13 to cross a bridge and can just park and go inside.



i'm might go check ebay for john rocker jerseys...
 

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Too much, too soon? According to a group of teachers and academics, these children shouldn't be starting school until the age of six or seven and not at four or five as the system currently requires

Children should not start primary school until they are six or seven-years-old, according to a coalition of education experts who warn of the damaging pressure to perform in class at a young age.
"young children are irreparably damaged in our classrooms" is not an argument against the formal education of young children, it's an argument for taking a bulldozer to your fucking classrooms, and getting you jobs at whatever supermarkets are called in Britain. I agree that parents should wait a good 150-200 years before putting their kids into any kind of public education system. But if you start your child's education at six or seven, you're too late.

If a kid can learn, it should. That's what the human brain is for. That's why the human body dedicates most of its resources to the brain. That's what's natural and healthy. Sitting around doing nothing for five years isn't, it's destructive. If you can teach him, fine. But if you can't, get someone else to do it. Don't just have him sit around in front of a television or on a playground all day, between the ages 3 and 6. Those are five wasted years.

The reason why kids aren't ready to be thrown into a pubic classroom or a private classroom that looks exactly like a public one, at 4 or 5, is because no one is ever ready for that. That's just not a good way to teach someone. Doesn't matter how old they are, learning isn't a passive process, it's an active one. Education should be too.

you don't have to get into a good pre school so you can get into a good elementary school.colleges don't give a shit where you went to school.just read to them,spend quality time with them,and get him some educational toys and river kid will be fine.
The purpose of education before college isn't to get into college. It's to become an intelligent, competent adult. If you want your kid to become that, the best plan is to give him the best education possible. Educational toys, someone reading them bedtime stories, and "quality time" are not a replacement for that. They're not a replacement at 10, and they're not a replacement at 5.
 

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you don't have to get into a good pre school so you can get into a good elementary school.colleges don't give a shit where you went to school.just read to them,spend quality time with them,and get him some educational toys and river kid will be fine.
You have all the points nailed. Pre-school is just a handy babysitter. It's fine if you send your kid to pre-school, but it doesn't do anything special for the kid's brain besides getting him used to playing with other kids-which they can easily learn in Kindergarten. Preschool is also a way to get certain kids away from shitty parents during important development years. Your single mom is getting beaten up by her new boyfriend? Well, hopefully a few books, a few hugs and a turn on the magnadoodle will give you the nurturing you need to avoid becoming a psychopath when you're 18. As for the price of these private schools... there is nothing those teachers could do with 3-year-olds to make it worth the price. It's just buying into a social class. Your kid has a shot at making friends with people who are going to grow up to be important, which could mean your kid would grow up to be important. I don't know if I buy it.
 

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but they have armed guards outside!

and what do they do opie,put their life on the line to protect your WASP angels from anything ever happening to them?
Do you even know what WASP stands for? Opie's Irish and Cathloic.

Getting you kid in preschool in Manhattan, especially among the well-off, is a cutthroat race. There's even a documentary on it.
 

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You have all the points nailed. Pre-school is just a handy babysitter. It's fine if you send your kid to pre-school, but it doesn't do anything special for the kid's brain besides getting him used to playing with other kids-which they can easily learn in Kindergarten. Preschool is also a way to get certain kids away from shitty parents during important development years. Your single mom is getting beaten up by her new boyfriend? Well, hopefully a few books, a few hugs and a turn on the magnadoodle will give you the nurturing you need to avoid becoming a psychopath when you're 18. As for the price of these private schools... there is nothing those teachers could do with 3-year-olds to make it worth the price. It's just buying into a social class. Your kid has a shot at making friends with people who are going to grow up to be important, which could mean your kid would grow up to be important. I don't know if I buy it.
It's not really a matter of "buying" it. You really don't need to make any kind of an educated guess here. You can just use google to find out whether it's possible for a three or four year old to learn how to read, write and do basic math or not.
 

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It's not really a matter of "buying" it. You really don't need to make any kind of an educated guess here. You can just use google to find out whether it's possible for a three or four year old to learn how to read, write and do basic math or not.
I learned how to do that at home. I guess my mom was a genius. We're talking about a coddling millionaire parent complaining to me that he has to pay 25 g's to send his kid to school. It wasn't something I wanted to listen to.