Pakistani Parents Approve of Child Torture Methods in Rehab School

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A wonderful culture full of wonderful people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tal-truth-of-Pakistani-madrassah-dungeon.html

By day they were locked in chains. By night, they were shut in a bare room with dirty mattresses on the floor. A watchman patrolled the madrassah so that no-one could escape.

When police raided the Islamic school on the northern outskirts of Pakistan's largest city Karachi last week they made another shocking discovery: an underground dungeon where teenage drug addicts were beaten and abused.

Yet parents of some of the boys have told The Daily Telegraph they knew what was going on in the madrassah cellars – and even approved of the brutal methods they believed were the only way to deal with teenage delinquents.

One claimed to have aided the Madrassah Zakarya's approach. When Umar Khan took his two sons to the single storey, whitewashed school he brought with him two sets of chains and padlocks.

"They are young and so naughty I was worried they would run away. This was to straighten them out for a month," he said.

The madrassah is now closed. Its headteacher is on the run and two members of staff have been arrested.

For now that means Mr Khan's two sons, Mohammed Haroon, 13, and Mohammed Shazwar, 10, have returned home.

"If they are naughty I'll send them to an even worse place where they are chained even tighter," he said, roaring with laughter.

Police arrived at the madrassah last Monday night alerted by a local television channel. As they prepared to raid the premises they could hear screams coming from beneath an open-air meeting room.

As they descended a stone staircase they found an underground warren of rooms - and unimaginable misery. They released more than 60 boys and young men living in squalor and chained to each other in threes.

Hooks sunk into the walls made the place resemble a "torture chamber" and 11 of the boys had been beaten "red and black", according to the police report.

Ehsan Marwat, who heads the local police station, said his officers were shocked at the welts and bruising they found.

"The police also use these methods but we have to face the courts and the media. These guys showed no mercy," he said.

Mohammed Haroon said it was a relief to be going home. He had spent two weeks at the madrassah after being sent by his father for stealing a wheelbarrow from a neighbour.

"If we were being naughty then we would be beaten," he said, sitting on the steps in a dusty courtyard outside his former prison. "We knew that's how it worked." The stairs to the dungeon have been sealed but that doesn't stop most of the madrassah's pupils congregating outside every day. Many have little choice if they want some form of education.

One of the youngest boys, Wali Mohammed, seven, had been asleep when the police arrived. The commotion sent him screaming from the scene – an image that was printed in newspapers around the world.

In a tiny voice he explained that he was never mistreated although he lived in fear of the noises he heard coming from underground.

"I never saw them and stayed away from the place because it sounded so bad," he said. "I knew they were down there because my brothers told me."

His father, Buaz Mohammed, admitted that he knew drug addicts were chained in the cellar but had no other option for his son's education.

"This was the only place I could send him because they don't ask for any money," he said.

The mosque stands in Sohrab Goth, a desperately poor corner of Karachi, Pakistan's economic capital. Thousands of people have arrived from Afghanistan, the border areas and the province of Balochistan looking for work and living in little more than a shanty town.

Government statistics suggest there are more than 15,000 madrassahs in Pakistan educating about two million children for free – essentially a school system for the very poorest.

But regulation is notoriously lax and some have been used as feeders for Taliban training camps.

At Madrassah Zakarya, some parents paid an extra £20 a month for its rehabilitation services.

Haji Habibullah said it was money well spent on his 19-year-old son, whom he brought to the madrassah five months ago for help with drug and alcohol abuse.

"Now he is fine," he said. "He is just down the road running a shop and is engaged to be married."

"If they are naughty I'll send them to an even worse place where they are chained even tighter," he said, roaring with laughter.

 

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Say what you want, but there's a certain group here in the US that prison doesn't deter that just might shape up if we employed some of those tactics.
 

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Say what you want, but there's a certain group here in the US that prison doesn't deter that just might shape up if we employed some of those tactics.
Keep in mind that in Pakistan a kid could get sent to this place if they are caught with a cigarette.
 

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Yep, Mormons. You'll have to excuse me, as I have some Comics to read.. they are quite Stellar.
 

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To bad all those dump middle east countries couldnt just be cut off from everyone, no news about them dont let them broadcast on tv or internet.
 

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To bad all those dump middle east countries couldnt just be cut off from everyone, no news about them dont let them broadcast on tv or internet.
Yeah, because we want them to be even less knowledgeable about civilization.

The only way to fix savagery is providing information. They don't have it, and that is why they are awful. So you want them to stay savage? What the hell man.

Atheism may have produced a lot of douchebags, but at the same time, it has educated the former religious into knowledgeable, good people. Why the hell would you want these assholes to keep being assholes?
 

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I say torture the parents and then when they seem to have learned their lesson, torture them some more!
 

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Keep in mind that in Pakistan a kid could get sent to this place if they are caught with a cigarette.
If liberals in the US had their way, that could happen if a US kid had a cigarette. OOOOooooO! Cigarettes are BAD!!!
 

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Yeah, because we want them to be even less knowledgeable about civilization.

The only way to fix savagery is providing information. They don't have it, and that is why they are awful. So you want them to stay savage? What the hell man.

Atheism may have produced a lot of douchebags, but at the same time, it has educated the former religious into knowledgeable, good people. Why the hell would you want these assholes to keep being assholes?
No, your wrong the only country that has advanced themselves with technology as well as information over there is Israel. Every other one has only used it to change one shitty dictator out for another and advance their hate for the western way of life and their own people.
 

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No, your wrong the only country that has advanced themselves with technology as well as information over there is Israel. Every other one has only used it to change one shitty dictator out for another and advance their hate for the western way of life and their own people.
So the solution is don't give them an education?

Ladies and gentlemen of Wackbag, we have actually found somebody who hates these people even more than I do.
 

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Yeah why give them something they havent excepted in thousands of years and the little they have excepted has been used against us and other sain people of the world.
 

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Yeah why give them something they havent excepted in thousands of years and the little they have excepted has been used against us and other sain people of the world.
Except what exactly?

Maybe you need to except an education, too.
 

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1 Technology, they didnt come up with. 2 How many people/groups have tried to teach and give aid to people/governments of these countries. 3 Is there not examples of how civilized people live all over the world? 4 How many times have we tried to nation build in these dumps and gotten nothing but lost lives and taxpayer money. Cut the fuckers off 100% just like a drug addict you cant help someone that doesnt want.
 

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1 Technology, they didnt come up with. 2 How many people/groups have tried to teach and give aid to people/governments of these countries. 3 Is there not examples of how civilized people live all over the world? 4 How many times have we tried to nation build in these dumps and gotten nothing but lost lives and taxpayer money. Cut the fuckers off 100% just like a drug addict you cant help someone that doesnt want.
1. They "excepted" it fine when we helped them fight the soviets. 2. I'll get to this in a moment... 3. Here we go. They don't have freedom of information over there. Most people in Afghanistan don't even know what 9/11 is. 4. They don't want us to nation build or help them. So I agree on this point. "Cut the fuckers off," still astounds me. You don't fix misinformation with missing information.
 

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Yeah why give them something they havent excepted in thousands of years and the little they have excepted has been used against us and other sain people of the world.
You must have been an acceptional student.

And Shooter, you didn't have to go all the way to Savagistan to find horror stories like this. We've got our own religious fundies doing stuff just as bad right here in the good ol' U S of A:

Pastor’s corporal punishment advice scrutinized after child deaths

By Zachary Roth | The Lookout – Mon, Nov 7, 2011

In recent years, several children have died after enduring extreme forms of corporal punishment from parents who had absorbed the controversial child-rearing advice of Tennessee pastor Michael Pearl. Now, the New York Times reports, Pearl himself is under fire.

In their self-published book, To Train Up a Child, Pearl, 66, and his wife Debi, 60, recommend the systematic use of "the rod" to teach young children to submit to authority. They offer instructions on how to use a switch for hitting children as young as six months, and describe how to use other implements, including a quarter-inch flexible plumbing line. Older children, the Pearls say, should be hit with a belt, wooden spoon or willow switch, hard enough to sting. Michael Pearl has said the methods are based on "the same principles the Amish use to train their stubborn mules."

There are 670,000 copies of the book in circulation, and it's especially popular among Christian home-schoolers such as Larry and Carri Williams of Sedro-Woolley, Wash. In September, local prosecutors charged them with homicide by abuse after their adopted daughter Hana, 11, was found naked and emaciated in the backyard, having died of hypothermia and malnutrition. She had been deprived of food for days at a time, and made to sleep in an unheated barn.

Hana, originally from Ethiopia, also had been beaten with a plastic tube, as recommended by Michael Pearl. Carri Williams had praised the book--which advises that "a little fasting is good training"--and had given a copy to a friend, local authorities say.
The Pearls aren't being charged. But Dr. Frances Chalmers, a state pediatrician who examined Hana's death, suggested to the Times that their teachings may have played a role in Hana's death. "My fear is that this book, while perhaps well intended, could easily be misinterpreted and could lead to what I consider significant abuse," she said.

That may also have happened in the case of Lydia Schatz, who was adopted from Liberia at the age of 4 by Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz of Paradise, Calif. She died last year, age 7, after her parents had whipped her for hours, with pauses for prayer. The Schatzes are both serving long prison terms, after Kevin Schatz pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and torture, and Elizabeth Schatz pleaded to voluntary manslaughter and unlawful corporal punishment. Like the Williamses, the Schatzes owned a copy of To Train Up a Child, and the local district attorney criticized it as a dangerous influence.

There was also Sean Paddock, of Johnson County, N.C., who died from suffocation in 2006, age 4, after he'd been wrapped tightly in a blanket. His mother Lynn Paddock, who said she had come across the Pearls' website, was charged with first-degree murder. Sean's siblings testified that they were beaten each day with a plumbing tube that the Pearls recommend.

The Pearls, along with many conservative Christians, say the Bible calls for corporal punishment. "To give up the use of the rod is to give up our views of human nature, God, eternity," they write in the book.

And Michael Pearl rejects the notion that his teachings bear any responsibility for the childrens' deaths. "If you find a 12-step book in an alcoholic's house, you wouldn't blame the book," he told the Times.

But other Christians appear to disagree. Crystal Lutton, who runs a Christian blog that opposes corporal punishment, told the Times that the Pearl's methods carry a big risk. "If you don't get results, the only thing to do is to punish harder and harder," she said.

Some Christian groups are working to pressure booksellers such as Amazon not to carry the Pearls' book.
The issue of corporal punishment had already been making headlines recently. Last week, a Texas woman posted online a video from 2004 that showed her father, a judge, whipping her with a belt when she was 16.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...dvice-scrutinized-child-deaths-160004793.html