Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Jerry1, Jan 7, 2008.
Gulf of Tonkin anybody?
When I read this earlier today and my first thought was that this was some kind of strategy to probe the Navy's defensive operations. This could be the first of several operations to see how ships would react to potential threats in an effort to discover an exploitable weakness. No doubt, the 5th Fleet brass is rewriting the SOPs for Gulf operations.
Some video of the action;
i saw the video on the news and heard the audio, im thinking this is just bull shit shenanigans, that being said, the squids should have used them as ma duce target practice
Fez Man, I always consider and respect your opinion but, in this situation, I must say, my brother, the squids did the right thing.
I posted about how I thought the Iranians were trying to probe the ship's defensives but, now I'm wondering if they weren't trying to cause an international incident prior to the Prez's tour of the Middle East.
Think about it, if they (the bad guys) had been blown out of the sea .... what a publicity rush for the Iranians. Now they got nothing AND are trying to play it down.
All this horse shyt about "normal interaction" .... long established, Rules of the Sea outline the code of conduct between warships of different nations. I have no doubt in my Navy mind that they were looking for martyrdom prior to Bush's trip.
the video i saw was quite poor, from what i could see they looked like civilian vessels, more like a bunch of play boys out fucking off in there hopped up ski boats, looking to fuck with some navy boys, i wouldnt put it past the Iranians to try to provoke an attack then claim "we were only joshin" to do exactly what you said, try smear some blood on bush, just like they did back in the 80's with the air liner
I saw the video. I would have pumped those speedboats with 50 cal rounds coming out of the Phalynx automatic machine guns.(They are the big white domed tubes in every Aegis weapons system onboard all US Navy ships.) Then I would tell the iranian government we have ichie trigger fingers, so if they want to try that again, they better be prepared. FUCK THOSE ASSHOLES.
We used to call CIWS "R2D2 with a hard on"
But, you see, that would start a war with Iran.....and it ain't quite time yet.
fucking sand wiggles came cunt hair close to being waxed. They try it again they'd be lucky to get 500 ft from one of our ships
They need some of those cool looking remote-controlled boats like the ones that were on Futureweapons before. Load 'em up with OC spray (the gel would probably be better), and then when the camel jocks decide to press their luck and get too close, just let 'em have it. It won't kill them, but they'll hurt for a while and hopefully learn a lesson.
You are about to blow up.
They said it.
We should have made it happen to them first.
actually this is the tactic that we knew the iranians would use to confront our ships. back when i was on ship (2003-2005), we did constant "fast boy" GQ drills. there was an atricle in navy times the address the "what if" scenarios involving iran and it stated that the iranians would attack out ships w/ small, highly manuverable boats armed (most probably) w/ explosives or shoulder fired weaponry. i'm thinking it was just a dry run on irans part.
interesting. are US ships better prepared for US Cole type attacks?
if anything, they are more aware/proactive about approaching unidentified vessels. i'm assuming the ship knew they were close to iranian waters and we know that iran does shit like this in their vicinity (i.e. britian last summer). so i'm assuming they didn't fire b/c they knew the repricussions and didn't feel it was a credible threat. if anything they would have fired a warning shot just to let them know they were being targeted.
I've been out of the Navy for ten years now but, when we were operating close to shore or in congested waters we would add additional watch standers called the Special Sea and Anchor Detail to help in the safe navigation of the ship. I'm guessing that when Navy ships are transiting or operating in choke points like the Strait of Hormuz supplementary watch standers, like gunnery personnel, to ensure the safety of the ship.
Nuts, when I last checked Drudge there was a link to an article about one of the ships firing a warning shot, gone now.
All in all, as I read more about all this, the crews of those three ships are getting some serious respect from me tonight.
i listen to the coast guard channel on my scanner all the time, every time a navel vessel enters the Delaware river they broad cast warnings about approaching US navel vessels, including that they will fire at any vessel approaching with in 100yards of the ship in an aggressive manner, now i doubt that there going to sink a pleasure boat in the Delaware river but you never know
Clearly the CO of the ships was following the rules of engagement(fired if fired upon and so forth) in this case. If anyone may remember that back in 1988 the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian Airbus airliner mistaking it for one of Iran's remaining F-14 Tomcats(which Iran got under the Shah in the 70's). With the tensions between the US and Iran right now, there was no wish to repeat that mistake.
However, I bet if one of those boats came barreling in toward one of them then the US would have opened up on them and worry about the repurcussions later.
no doubt. i was on a communications ship and had the admiral for 7th fleet on board (7th fleet monitors asia [cough]north korea[/]), so we had limited offensive capabilites. but any cruiser/destroyer/amphib would have opened up the 50 cals quick like if needed. i think someone said there was a video of us firing a warning shot, which doesn't surprise me. no doubt the ship was in GQ status during the incident.
I heard claxons going off in the video so if they weren't already in GQ, they were well on the way to it.
Prank May Have Sparked Gulf Showdown
Not to be Ned the Nitpicker, but I'm pretty sure the Phalanx system uses 20mm cannons, not .50 cal (ie- 12.7mm) machine guns.
Not as ballsy as the "Goalkeeper" system used by the Dutch , which uses the 30mm GAU-8/A cannon from the A-10 Warthog, but the Phalanx is supposedly much "smarter" than the Goalkeeper.
I stand corrected