Question about GPU upgrade

NotSoFast

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My old computer went tits up a couple of months ago. I bought a new mobo so far in an attempt to rebuild it and do some upgrades at the same time. Anyway, to my question. I have a new mobo that has a PCI-e x16 2.0 slot. Will a new video card that is PCI-e 3.0 work in this board? Any negative issues here? I was looking to get one and some new DDR-3 memory and have a decent gaming rig running again.
 
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My old computer went tits up a couple of months ago. I bought a new mobo so far in an attempt to rebuild it and do some upgrades at the same time. Anyway, to my question. I have a new mobo that has a PCI-e x16 2.0 slot. Will a new video card that is PCI-e 3.0 work in this board? Any negative issues here? I was looking to get one and some new DDR-3 memory and have a decent gaming rig running again.
Yes, stuff like this is generally backwards compatible. Obvious exception would be when the physical slot does not fit. In a case like 3.0 vs 2.0 you probably wouldn't even notice the difference if your mobo supported it.
 

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Yes, stuff like this is generally backwards compatible. Obvious exception would be when the physical slot does not fit. In a case like 3.0 vs 2.0 you probably wouldn't even notice the difference if your mobo supported it.
That's what I figured, but didn't want to waste time and money without asking.

The mobo supports my old CPU (Phenom II x4 965 Black Edition @ 3.4Ghz), some new DDR3 memory (old one had DDR2), and has the PCIe 2.0 x16 slot.
 

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My old computer went tits up a couple of months ago. I bought a new mobo so far in an attempt to rebuild it and do some upgrades at the same time. Anyway, to my question. I have a new mobo that has a PCI-e x16 2.0 slot. Will a new video card that is PCI-e 3.0 work in this board? Any negative issues here? I was looking to get one and some new DDR-3 memory and have a decent gaming rig running again.
You're fine. I don't think single cards exist yet that can max out 2.0 for gaming. You would only use that extra bandwidth for SLI or for non-graphic applications that run on the GPU (folding@home, etc.)
 

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What motherboard did you get?
 

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I hope you have better luck with your Asus than I have had with mine. It's slow to boot (takes a couple tries to find my SSD), and I think the USB 3.0 headers for the front ports on the case recently shit the bed. Asus's tech support is downright useless, as well.

Interestingly enough, you have the same processor I have in my desktop, and I will be upgrading my video card some time in the next 90 days to handle X Rebirth when it comes out in November.
 

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I hope you have better luck with your Asus than I have had with mine. It's slow to boot (takes a couple tries to find my SSD), and I think the USB 3.0 headers for the front ports on the case recently shit the bed. Asus's tech support is downright useless, as well.

Interestingly enough, you have the same processor I have in my desktop, and I will be upgrading my video card some time in the next 90 days to handle X Rebirth when it comes out in November.
I've had about a dozen Asus products over the years and I have had no problems with any of them. None of them failed, just got old enough to need upgrading. Maybe you got a lemon?
 

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I've had about a dozen Asus products over the years and I have had no problems with any of them. None of them failed, just got old enough to need upgrading. Maybe you got a lemon?
Some companies have excellent products and support on the high end, but suck on the low end. Luckily, I've never had to buy a cheap Asus motherboard.
 

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Update:

Since my old system was, well...old, I decided to go ahead with a full build based on the motherboard I bought, shown above. I have scoped out the items on newegg and have kept within my $500-600 budget. The total is $536 plus shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226&Tpk=mknssdcr240gb-dx $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231550 $73
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202025&Tpk=100354oc-2l $185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148321&Tpk=st310005n1a1as-rk $80

Plus DVD burner, a headset, and a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium.

Cheaper than any pre-built system with remotely close specs.

I should be ordering it after work Monday.
 

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This is basically my computer build 2 years ago, right down to the proccessor only I used an MSI motherboard, a 128gb SSD, and no image drive.
 

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PCIe 3.0 is backward compatible with all PCIe standard implementations. So yes, you're fine.

As far as performance, this article explains the benefits of a PCIe 3.0 motherboard: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/10

The short version is that they're only beneficial for rare applications. The 3.0 motherboards don't improve the performance of games in any way (PCIe 2.0 has more than enough bandwidth to handle the games), but they improve compute applications (such as data encryption/decryption). In their test, it sped up and encryption by 9%.

Eventually, the extra bandwidth will end up being needed of course. But not for any graphics cards currently available.
 

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Update:

Since my old system was, well...old, I decided to go ahead with a full build based on the motherboard I bought, shown above. I have scoped out the items on newegg and have kept within my $500-600 budget. The total is $536 plus shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226&Tpk=mknssdcr240gb-dx $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231550 $73
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202025&Tpk=100354oc-2l $185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148321&Tpk=st310005n1a1as-rk $80

Plus DVD burner, a headset, and a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium.

Cheaper than any pre-built system with remotely close specs.

I should be ordering it after work Monday.
I would look for another SSD that DOES NOT use a sandforce controller. I'd look towards samsung if I were you because I've only ever heard of sandforce controllers fucking up.

Before you pull the trigger check out http://pcpartpicker.com/ to see if you can maximize your savings.

Also I wish I saw this earlier because of a ridiculous sale newegg had this weekend where you could have bought an MSI 7950 for $200.
 

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I would look for another SSD that DOES NOT use a sandforce controller. I'd look towards samsung if I were you because I've only ever heard of sandforce controllers fucking up.

Before you pull the trigger check out http://pcpartpicker.com/ to see if you can maximize your savings.

Also I wish I saw this earlier because of a ridiculous sale newegg had this weekend where you could have bought an MSI 7950 for $200.
I don't think it's been a problem for a quite a while, and when it was it wasn't anything a firmware update couldn't fix.
 

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How do you install games, etc?
A USB adapter for IDE/SATA drives for rare occasions. The last time I used it with a DVD drive was to install a game from Amazon. It promptly ignored the disk in the drive and downloaded the entire thing from steam. $20 for a drive seems cheap, but it really isn't worth it considering how it really isn't needed anymore. Backup HD's are cheap, almost every game and app is distributed digitally. The last three versions of Windows were down-loadable, and you could put them on Thumbdrives. I've used an external floppy drive more than the DVD drive the past five years.
 
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Being a ****** about your power supply is a Recipe for Danger. Good luck, bro.
Curious which you use, I have been using Corsair and Seasonic for a while. Seasonic does make some of the Corsair models. It is unfair to rate many of the power supplies within the last 10 years due to all those bad capacitors getting on the market.
 

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Curious which you use, I have been using Corsair and Seasonic for a while. Seasonic does make some of the Corsair models. It is unfair to rate many of the power supplies within the last 10 years due to all those bad capacitors getting on the market.
A Corsair and a Zalman in an i7 & FX-3850, and fuck if I know what's in my ancient dual-core. Probably whatever came with the cheap-ass case.
 

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@NotSoFast is gonna hate himself but lately I've been seeing a slew of 7950's for $180-$210. Considering that it's a ridiculous bang for your buck card at just under $300 much less at sub $200 prices. Oh and in addition you get the Never Settle Bundle (FC3: BD, Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite), although I think your bundle might be better because of Tomb Raider (my personal GOTY so far).