Right-to-work debate heats up ahead of Mich. vote

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Right-to-work debate heats up ahead of Mich. vote

By By JOHN FLESHER and JEFF KAROUB | Associated Press – 48 mins ago

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LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Even with the outcome considered a foregone conclusion, the heated battle over right-to-work legislation in the traditional union bastion of Michigan shows no sign of cooling.

Authorities in Lansing were bracing for an onslaught of demonstrators Tuesday at the Michigan Capitol as the Legislature reconvenes for what could be final votes on bills. Hundreds of people gathered early Tuesday to get inside.

"I want to try to get into the gallery. I want to see the proceedings," said Wes Nakagiri of Livingston County's Hartland Township, an engineer with an auto parts supplier. "I'm for the legislation, but I can see both sides."

If it is passed and signed into law, Michigan would become the 24th right-to-work state, banning requirements that nonunion employees pay unions for negotiating contracts and other services.

Democratic lawmakers and union backers concede they have little chance of stopping the tide, given the Republican-dominated Legislature and GOP Gov. Rick Snyder, who has pledged to sign the measure into law.

But foes of the law, including President Barack Obama, are trying to keep the spotlight on this latest battleground in the war over union rights.

Sharon Mowers, 54, of Lansing, is a United Auto Workers union member who has worked for General Motors Co. for 13 years. She was among those gathered outside the Capitol and said the legislation will bring lower wages for workers.

"People don't understand the labor movement," Mowers said. "They don't understand the sacrifices people made to get us to this point."

In other states, similar battles were drawn-out affairs lasting weeks. But Snyder, a business executive-turned-governor, and the Republican-dominated Legislature used their political muscle to rapidly introduce and ramrod legislation through the House and Senate in a single day last week. Demonstrators and Democrats howled in protest, but to no avail.

A victory in Michigan, a cradle of organized labor, would give the right-to-work movement its strongest foothold yet in the Rust Belt, where the 2010 election and tea party movement produced assertive Republican majorities that have dealt unions one body blow after another.

For all the shouting, the actual benefit or harm of such laws is not clear. Each camp has pointed to studies bolstering their claims, but one labor expert said the conclusions are, well, inconclusive.

"Very little is actually known about the impact of right-to-work laws," Gary Chaison, a professor of labor relations at Clark University in Massachusetts, said Monday. "There's a lot of assumptions that they create or destroy jobs, but the correlation is not definite."

Democrats contend Republicans, who lost five House seats in the November election, wanted to act before a new legislature takes office next month. In passionate floor speeches last week, they accused the majority of ignoring the message from voters and bowing to right-wing interest groups.

Criticism of the legislation has come from all the way up the Democratic food chain.

"These so-called right-to-work laws, they don't have anything to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics," Obama told cheering workers Monday during a visit to an engine plant in Redford, Mich. "What they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money."

U.S. Sen. Carl Levin and members of the state's U.S. House delegation met with Snyder on Monday in Detroit and urged him to veto the legislation or amend it to allow a statewide referendum. Levin said the governor pledged to "seriously consider" the requests.

In Lansing, leaders of the Democratic minority in the state House acknowledged there was little they could do to stop the fast-moving legislation in the waning days of the session. However, they vowed to vote against other legislation as a form of protest.

Ari Adler, spokesman for Michigan House Speaker Jase Bolger, chided those in Washington for "trying to tell Republicans in Michigan to slow down and not do our job in Lansing while they fail to resolve the nation's fiscal cliff crisis or even approve a budget."

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Associated Press writers Tom LoBianco in Indianapolis, Ed White in Detroit, Corey Williams in Lansing, Mich., and Ben Feller in Redford, Mich., contributed to this story.
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What the Hell is that?
 

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As a conservative in support of right-to-work...you couldn't pay me to stand near those union savages and hold pro-right to work signs. Americans for Prosperity set up a tent that just got barreled over by the union supporters and PJTV's Steven Crowder was attacked.

Glad to see it likely get pushed through. Michigan's first good decision in quite some time.
 

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If you don't know what right-to-work means then here ya go.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

A right-to-work law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring.
Right-to-work state - you can join a union and pay dues if you choose to do so

Non-right-to-work state - you may be required to join a union and pay dues as a term of employment
 

Motor Head

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Michigan State Police finally had to start pepper spraying the unruly crowds. The pro-union people are vowing not to leave the capital building.
 

Begbie

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Obama....comment?


Oh, gee...Obama siding with the thugs...that's predictable.
 

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When will someone finally do something about those violent Tea Party extremists?
 

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Obama president nah!

Cap'n obvious...if this was a tea party person assaulting someone, the Justice Department would be all over this along with every media outlet.

This country is lost and not coming back.
 

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Right-to-work state - you can join a union and pay dues if you choose to do so...
...but even if you choose not to do so the union will be required to assist you in any and every way that they would assist a due-paying member at the cost of the other members.

In this way the "right to work" states eliminate every benefit of being a due-paying member.

That's fine, those dummies deserve what they get.
 

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Hoffa said on tv there will be blood before it's all over, and jay carney refuses to condemn union violence. Surprise!
 

Myhairygrundle

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Democrats: freedom to choose on abortion, but not union membership.
 
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Sending a FOX "News" correspondent into a union rally is like sending a sexy reporter to cover Mideast uprising. They're both gonna get rap.ed!
 

Haeder

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Donthetrucker......

Is there some sort of union membership requirement associated with radio/tv broadcasters?

Iwannaknow.
 

BIV

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Donthetrucker......

Is there some sort of union membership requirement associated with radio/tv broadcasters?

Iwannaknow.
I got this.

Depends on the station. Most are beholden to SAG/AFTRA. Which is a huge, yet completely limp dicked union...with some of the highest union dues in the nation.
 

Begbie

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Jeez, AFL/CIO...stupid move sending your dumb Director of Communications broad on Fox News.

Went something like this:

Fox News host: But I don't understand, why wouldn't you want to allow the citizens to have a choice whether they join a union or not?
Dumb AFL/CIO broad: They DO have that choice...they do have a choice...and, and I kno...
Fox News host: But, wait, wait, no they don't have that choice and they've got to pay the union dues...
Dumb AFL/CIO broad: Well what we saw yesterday was the good people of Michigan rise up against this Republican-led state government who are trying to unjustly destroy the worker's rights.
Fox News host: But shouldn't people have the right to choose whether or not they want to be part of a union?
Dumb AFL/CIO broad: They DO have that choice! You don't understand, there is a choice for them.

:confused: