Romney gets in on the firearm fear mongering....

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Mitt Romney drew a warm reception from the National Rifle Assn. on Friday as he attacked President Obama for “employing every imaginable ruse and ploy” to restrict gun rights, which Romney pledged not to do if elected in November.

Although gun control groups have complained that Obama has done little to support their cause, Romney took a page from the NRA leadership, which has been saying that the president is waiting for a second term to crack down on firearms. He warned that Obama would “remake” the Supreme Court in a second term, threatening constitutional freedoms.

“In a second term, he would be unrestrained by the demands of re-election,” Romney told a crowd estimated at 6,000 in the cavernous Edward Jones Dome. “As he told the Russian president last month when he thought no one else was listening, after a re-election he’ll have a lot more, quote, 'flexibility' to do what he wants. I’m not exactly sure what he meant by that, but looking at his first three years, I have a very good idea.”

Referring specifically to the right to bear arms, Romney said: “If we are going to safeguard our 2nd Amendment, it is time to elect a president who will defend the rights President Obama ignores or minimizes. I will.”

Romney’s speech came at the NRA’s Leadership Forum, which always draws top conservative speakers. Also expected to speak Friday were three of Romney’s former rivals for the GOP nomination, former Sen. Rick Santorum, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Texas Gov. Rick Perry, as well as a panoply of other Republican stars, including House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Sens. Chuck Grassley and Roy Blunt, and Rep. Darrell Issa.

Most of the other speakers could claim a friendlier history with the NRA than Romney, who supported strict gun control measures as governor of Massachusetts and once said he didn’t “line up” with the gun rights group. But the NRA leadership has thrown its weight behind Romney, whom it sees as preferable to Obama, and Romney received several standing ovations during his speech.

Although Obama has not been responsible for any notable gun control measures, the organization has been sharply critical of some of his appointments, especially that of Eric Holder as attorney general.

Before Romney spoke, the NRA’s legislative director, Chris Cox, showed a video clip that he said depicted a Holder speech from 1995. In it, the future attorney general spoke about the need to "really brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way."

"So let's state this in very clear terms,” Cox said. “President Obama needs to fire Eric Holder, and in November, we need to fire the president."

Even before Romney’s speech, the Obama campaign hit back with a statement attacking the presumptive GOP nominee, along with a hefty file of news clippings intended to show that he had a checkered history on gun rights.

“The president's record makes clear the he supports and respects the 2nd amendment, and we'll fight back against any attempts to mislead voters,” said campaign press secretary Ben LaBolt. “Mitt Romney is going to have difficulty explaining why he quadrupled fees on gun owners in Massachusetts then lied about being a lifelong hunter in an act of shameless pandering. That varmint won't hunt.”

Outside the convention hall, a half-dozen or so soggy union-affiliated demonstrators stood in the rain holding signs that said: “Romney: 100% out of touch.”

“We’re basically here to expose Romney as a flip-flopper with the NRA,” said Ed McNees, president of UAW Local 282 in St. Louis. “In ’94, he was for the Brady bill and against assault weapons … and now he’s a newly found supporter of the NRA.”

With McNees was Steve Johnson, a local Teamsters organizer, who said Romney “doesn’t look like anybody who hangs out at any of the places I might hunt.” Leaders of the UAW and the Teamsters have pledged full support to Obama in the 2012 campaign, although both McNees and Johnson insisted that they were there as gun enthusiasts, not Obama supporters.
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Romney is an ass. While I don't doubt Obama would love to go ape-shit and force a new AWB down our throats, it's going to be hard for him to do so without the full backing of Congress. Any Democrat with half a brain knows it's not worth the risk to their reelection campaign to support gun control, and I doubt they could get enough Republicans to cross the fence in the House to pull it off.

Meanwhile Romney signed a permanent AWB into law in his home state while he was governor.
 
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Romney is an ass. While I don't doubt Obama would love to go ape-shit and force a new AWB down our throats, it's going to be hard for him to do so without the full backing of Congress. Any Democrat with half a brain knows it's not worth the risk to their reelection campaign to support gun control, and I doubt they could get enough Republicans to cross the fence in the House to pull it off.

Meanwhile Romney signed a permanent AWB into law in his home state while he was governor.
Well you are talking about MA.... which does seem to have issues with firearms of any type.
 

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Gun control is a legitimate issue, and presidential candidates should take full advantage when their opponents have a history of opposing the Second Amendment. Obama's going to lose a shitload of votes over this.

Romney is an ass. While I don't doubt Obama would love to go ape-shit and force a new AWB down our throats, it's going to be hard for him to do so without the full backing of Congress. Any Democrat with half a brain knows it's not worth the risk to their reelection campaign to support gun control, and I doubt they could get enough Republicans to cross the fence in the House to pull it off.
The fight over the Second Amendment is not in Congress. It's at the local level, and in the Courts. Local politicians have and will continue to pass laws banning guns, and only the Supreme Court can strike those laws down.

As of this day, Obama already appointed two justices who are unequivocally opposed to the Second Amendment. And there are two others already on the Court. One more, and the Second Amendment goes bye bye in quite a few states and counties.
Meanwhile Romney signed a permanent AWB into law in his home state while he was governor.
Romney is better than Obama, on guns. Even if he's not perfect, he still has the right and the opportunity to kick some ass on this issue. It's rightfully going to be a huge plus for him, during the campaign.

The Obama camp won't even be able to attack him directly, on that AWB ban he signed, because they agree with it. The best they'll be able to do is third party attack ads from cynical lefty groups.
 

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This just proves how useless the NRA is, if they are able to give a "warm welcome" to Mitt Romney. He doesn't even own any guns for chrissakes; he lied about some guns he had that actually belonged to his son.

And as far as the Justices thing goes - It's a red herring. The dittoheads have nothing else to latch onto when you bring up how Obama was 100% against guns when he was a local politician and the libtards can say exactly the same thing about Romney.
 

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It's amazing that media propaganda can get so called conservatives to vote for a anti 2nd republican. And to vote for a guy that wants to raise taxes by using the global warming fear mongering.
 

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Romney is better than Obama, on guns. Even if he's not perfect, he still has the right and the opportunity to kick some ass on this issue. It's rightfully going to be a huge plus for him, during the campaign.
Is this going to be a huge plus, too?
[video=youtube;wgZ6AuHnmk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgZ6AuHnmk0[/video]
I have to give Obama credit for having done absolutely nothing about guns. Hell, Romney has done more to harm gun owners rights than Obama has.
 

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Is this going to be a huge plus, too? I have to give Obama credit for having done absolutely nothing about guns. Hell, Romney has done more to harm gun owners rights than Obama has.
I guess if you believe Obama didn't have knowledge of fast and furious.
 

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I guess if you believe Obama didn't have knowledge of fast and furious.
That is a big stretch to say that a failed program run by the ATF was Obama cracking down on gun owners' rights. I know it was used as fuel to require more reporting of firearm purchases, but that is a far cry from restricting gun owners from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.
 

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That is a big stretch to say that a failed program run by the ATF was Obama cracking down on gun owners' rights. I know it was used as fuel to require more reporting of firearm purchases, but that is a far cry from restricting gun owners from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.
It only failed because of one ATF agent. If that ATF agent hadn't spoken out it would have been successful in causing fear and blaming the 2nd amendment for drug war violence to push gun bans and gun control.
 

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Honest question for you, Kirk. With all the crowing you do about the 2nd, do you actually exercise your right? Do you own a fire arm or are you one of those "I fight for the freedoms for everyone" types?
 

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Honest question for you, Kirk. With all the crowing you do about the 2nd, do you actually exercise your right? Do you own a fire arm or are you one of those "I fight for the freedoms for everyone" types?
This is about firearm fear mongering. If you have a personal question for me, ask in the appropriate thread.
 

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This is about firearm fear mongering. If you have a personal question for me, ask in the appropriate thread.
This is appropriate. Answer the question.
 

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Honest question for you, Kirk. With all the crowing you do about the 2nd, do you actually exercise your right? Do you own a fire arm or are you one of those "I fight for the freedoms for everyone" types?
His dad got him one of these for Christmas one year but his mom took it away from him. Afraid he was going to "put someone's eye out with that thing..."

 

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Still waiting to hear the story of the first guy whose had his guns taken by the BATFE for buying too many rifles in one month......
 

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Still waiting to hear the story of the first guy whose had his guns taken by the BATFE for buying too many rifles in one month......
Yeah if it hasn't happened yet it will never happen. You like the idea of the ATF having a list of people that buy more than 1 gun a week?
 

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Still waiting to hear the story of the first guy whose had his guns taken by the BATFE for buying too many rifles in one month......
Plenty of people have been harassed by those clowns. Had property stolen, and some paid with their lives.

Use the Google and find out for yourself, Mr. Bootlicker.
 

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Mitt Romney is spectacularly full of shit, even for a politician. It is impossible to trust the guy.

He's still better than Obama, but only by a small margin.
 

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Yeah if it hasn't happened yet it will never happen. You like the idea of the ATF having a list of people that buy more than 1 gun a week?
The ATF is legally prohibited from keeping records of firearms purchases, but they have found ways to get around that by requiring reporting of multiple purchases, and congress hasn't called them out on it.

Plenty of people have been harassed by those clowns. Had property stolen, and some paid with their lives.

Use the Google and find out for yourself, Mr. Bootlicker.
Yep.
 

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Plenty of people have been harassed by those clowns. Had property stolen, and some paid with their lives.

Use the Google and find out for yourself, Mr. Bootlicker.
If that was even remotely true your fingers would be burning from the cutting and pasting to post it here.

And I don't mind the ATF checking up on large purchases of firearms in this post-9/11 world. Calling to verify someone's identity wasn't stolen by terrorists to illicitly acquire weapons seems a reasonable use of the bureau's power.
 

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If that was even remotely true your fingers would be burning from the cutting and pasting to post it here.

And I don't mind the ATF checking up on large purchases of firearms in this post-9/11 world. Calling to verify someone's identity wasn't stolen by terrorists to illicitly acquire weapons seems a reasonable use of the bureau's power.

How about here - several people in that thread have had visits from the ATV, including invasive questions. One guy lost a parts-built FAL to them for a brief time. Those are just a couple examples of police and ATF giving law-abiding citizens a hard time.
 

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And I don't mind the ATF checking up on large purchases of firearms in this post-9/11 world. Calling to verify someone's identity wasn't stolen by terrorists to illicitly acquire weapons seems a reasonable use of the bureau's power.
I love this one. Now the 2nd amendment is responsible for arming al-Qaeda and the Taliban