Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Party Rooster, Jul 31, 2012.
He just loves their socialistic health care system. :icon_cool
Two small problems:
1) Israel is small. Much, much smaller than the US, and
2) The Israeli middle class is taking a fucking pounding right now, and all kinds of taxes are going up. It's a mess.
Not to mention that if you want the best care and you can afford it, you go private simply because it is quicker and you have more choices.
Not only that, but I'd imagine they lead healthier lifestyles over there. I think they smoke a lot though right?
I think that's what a lot of people want here. Provide basic care for the masses and if you can afford more you can get better coverage for yourself and your family if you want.
Interesting idea. I'm surprised no one's thought of it before. We should call it Medicaid or something.
Not as much as they used to. And you're not allowed to smoke anywhere and the prices just went way up because the government needed some money so they just raised taxes on cigarettes and beer... Blech.
There's a lot of things that work differently including tort laws, which makes the system harder to abuse. Also, you can't have commercials for prescription drugs on TV and stuff like that. Meaning that the culture of healthcare is slightly different.
I guess I'm trying to say that it's an issue that is more complex than a simple percentage of GDP graph can indicate. Just as an example - there are more illegal immigrants in the US than there are people in Israel. That kind of difference in scale has to affect any kind of comparison between the two.
Thanks a lot republicants, 4 more years of a socialist no matter who wins.
Yup. We cannot compare ourselves to a country that has 2% the population we do. Also, aren't most citizens in Israel required to enlist in the military (correct me if I'm wrong Neon)... that helps lead to a healthier population through demanding physical activity.
I was wondering about their tort laws. Ours suck, making doctors do all kinds of extra shit you don't need just in case of lawsuits.
Yes, military service is mandatory, but not everyone does it, and not everyone is in a particularly physically demanding role. I don't think that's a factor so much as the fact that the grandparents of most Israelis nowadays were either farmers of some sort, or industrial laborers. Israel was essentially built from scratch, and it only happened 64 years ago, and the transition to hi-tech and a more "modern" economy is a really new phenomenon (only a couple of decades, really), so that mentality still exists in the education of children. Child obesity is definitely a bigger problem than it used to be, but it isn't really on America levels of that stuff.
There really are no punitive damages. If a doctor makes a $1,000 mistake, you will get $1,000 + legal costs if you sue him for malpractice and win (there is a pain and suffering clause, but it's usually something entirely reasonable. Like if you sue a travel agent in small claims court for fucking up your vacation, the judge could say "and here's another couple of grand for your trouble." It's never like "here's elevinty billion dollars for crying!" - no such thing as a jury in Israel. You get tried by a judge or a panel of judges). I see 7 figure cases sometimes, but it is always something like "I'm now a quadriplegic for life" type stuff. Sometimes that sucks because you want to see someone lose everything, but I think that for the most part it saves a lot of fucking money.
Health care in Israel is good?
Two words: Jewish Doctors
Great, another scumbag who wants to ration health care.
Those schemes are usually financed by forcing everyone who is employed to pay for insurance (in most cases, by deducting it directly from their wage, through their employer. The end result is that a lot of hard working people who would otherwise be getting private healthcare (most likely employer provided, just like in the US) are stuck financing the shitty socialized scheme, and can't afford to also buy private insurance.
That's why only the elites have private coverage in these countries. No one else can afford to pay for health care twice. The larger the scheme, the fewer the people who can afford private coverage, and the fewer the employers who can provide it.
81% of Israelis are elites? "whaa"
I bet Mitt wishes he had just brought an ipod for the Queen after that fiasco.
Love the caption under the video in the link - "Romney blames press for tour controversy" I guess Bush wasn't available :icon_cool
like insurance companies?