Discussion in 'Current Events' started by BIV, Sep 17, 2012.
The details of all of Romney's plans so far are "well, you just fix it!"
Fix the INS quotas to realistically reflect what the American job market requires. Illegals don't pay coyotes and snakeheads thousands of dollars to get on our welfare system. They pay the smugglers that money so they can get jobs here. If you give them a way to get legal jobs here, they'll both take that route and the employers will have legal and safe employees to hire for their open jobs.
It's simple market forces that people ignore because of the racial bullshit on both sides of the argument. Fuck that.
Part of that problem, is that they'll make minumum wage, and end up not paying taxes on their income.
They may pay into the system, but they'll see a large refund at the end of the year.
One of the largest problems in this country is the fucked up tax code.
Fix that (oh, is that all?), and most of the problems with deficit and budgets gets fixed with it in a butteryfly-effect wave with a little effort.
Eh. One thing at a time. Reforming the tax code, while conceptually simple (at least, my reforms are), would be an immense task. Reforming immigration, while actually conceptually a little more difficult, is a very simple task legislatively.
Reforming immigration doesn't require very much, legislatively. A little more money for Border Patrol is about it. INS follows policies in their quotas, not laws. If the head of INS simply says, "Ok, these are the new rules for who we let in the country," that's really all it takes. Detailing out the rules, detailing out how to determine what the economy needs, etc., is a bit difficult, but the Labor Department produces terabytes of information based on what the economy is demanding and what it isn't.
If you wanted to get all bureaucratic and set up a guest worker system for Mexicans to work for a few years and go home, that's opening up a can of worms that we already know the end result to. Look at Europe's ridiculous mess, where the children of their "guestworkers" (who become permanent residents with no real rights) are at best second class citizens and a pool of discontent and trouble.
Immigration is easy. Fix INS' quotas, secure the border, and figure out some way to integrate (while punishing them some, but not too harshly or you'll turn them completely against us) the illegals already in this country.
Why do I imagine that his way to fix the immigration system is to put up a really big wall? Just on the southwestern portion of the country though.
It doesnt help when most people think of taxes its that tax refund they get every year and plan spending around it.
It's whatever the republicans want him to say.
Romney's pushing hard for Latinos this week.
He just spoke to a Hispanic business group in LA (even though he has no shot in California), and he's addressing immigration too. Right wingers are also running Spanish ads in Nevada attacking Obama on Religion and Social issues.
According to a new poll published in The Hill Times, Obama has a 53 point lead among Hispanics (Up from 35% in the summer) :"The survey finds Obama with a 68-26 percent lead over Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney among all Latinos. Among Hispanic women, Obama's lead is even larger. He leads Romney among this consituency by a 74-21 percent margin — a staggering 53-point advantage. Among men, the lead decreases to 61-32 percent in favor of Obama. Both Hispanic women and men give the president a 71 percent favorability rating, while Romney's favorability fails to crack 30 percent with either group."
Obama's also leading among Jews: http://www.examiner.com/article/oba...ish-voters-is-that-there-are-not-more-of-them 70-25 which is a huge fucking lead. You combine this with youth, asians, blacks and gays...oh and broads...then Obama just needs about 25% of white males to have a pretty strong win.
If the GOP had balls this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. Thanks for preserving the race balance and culture of America. Thanks, shitdicks.
10 Step Plan
1. Build the 700 mile border that was part of REAL ID legislation in 2006.
2. It costs 700 million per year to have 1500 border agents. Lets have it be 5 times that per year, 3.5 billion, to hire an additional 7500 agents. The agents would need to be American
citizens who would not be a member of a race or ethnicity that is known to have lots of illegals. I.e., they wouldn't be MEXICAN. I mean duh. Just fuckin' duh on this one. You can't have Mexicans policing Mexicans. Hey look, shovel ready job.
3. Follow the lead of Arizona on SB 1070 nationwide. Start using E-Verify making it mandatory to use it with fines and imprisonment for refusal to use and displaying
blatant patterns of disregard and lawlessness when it comes to hiring illegals. The laws for the fines and imprisonment up
to 6 for chronic lawbreakers already exists. Make it ten to twenty times more costly and severe. Here is how I would change it...
4. No more welfare fraud and scamming from obvious illegals. Imprisonment, confiscation of property for payment (with interest) and deportation with prejudice. The person could never apply to get into the country for any reason.
5. Public schooling would be denied to illegals. There would be no student exchange programs or programs for non-citizens.
6. It would be a felony for any illegal to operate a motor vehicle.
7. It would be a felony with stiff financial penalties and jail time to knowingly provide housing to an illegal.
8. No non-citizen could serve in the American armed forces.
9. 10 year moratorium on green card lotteries and all legal immigration.
9. Operation Wetback II: This Time Its Personal.
See the lesson here? You don't need the cattle cars and all this morbid shit that everybody will just go BUTTHENAZISKILLED6MILLIONSJEWSWAHHH. You break balls, you make it IMPOSSIBLE to live in an area as a felonious lawbreaker, you make it impossible to profit off of illegals without millions in fines, people leave and will stop hiring and renting to them. Happened in Arizona, happened in Alabama, would happen nationwide.
Lolz. Do you think non-southern state governments give a fuck about spic migrants? Not even including new mexico and texas (reference George W.), because of their huge beaner populations. The only non-southern state that is a spic magnet is illinois and i haven't seen them get worked up about it.
Wisconsin goes insane for it. Ask somebody from Minnesota what they think about a Somali. Colorado is being swarmed with Hispanics. This is a nation wide issue. Should we have 1+ million immigrants come into this nation illegally when we already have more than 10 million here illegally? Should this nation take on millions of people with a job market in the shitter and more than our GDP in federal debt? This is a nationwide thing that transcends states.
Was it Miguel or Jorge?
What was the name of the Mexican that fucked your wife?
Ooh, against the man arguing because you've got nothing. You know our immigration policy is an international disgrace.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand we have the retard contingent offering their idiotic ideas yet again.
You apparently believe in magic. Magic doesn't work. You cannot, CANNOT get rid of 15 million illegals from this country. They will populate up faster than you can ship them out. Arizona and Alabama aren't scalable solutions. Illegals left those states because there were better alternatives elsewhere. That, and if you really think illegals left those states to begin with you're as dumb as, well, you just proved yourself.
Even as tough as what you're proposing, it's still fucking better than Mexico, dumbass!!!! And Mexico is fucking heads and shoulders above a lot of other Latin American countries.
The only thing your brilliantly suicidal proposals will achieve is a very large, very unhappy, completely disenfranchised population of second class citizens who will cause a lot of trouble and then eventually some political party will get enough power to buy their votes by giving them fast track citizenship. But by that time their work ethic will be so broken that the huge population of former illegals will be nothing more than gimmedats.
ASSHOLE, YOU'RE FUCKING REPEATING THE BLACK SLAVE EXPERIENCE ALL FUCKING OVER AGAIN YOU RETARDED MEATHEAD!!!!! Mexicans are here because they're willing to WORK. No, the government isn't collecting much from them as income taxes. So the fuck what? Since when have TAXES been the judge of whether someone is "good" or not? What are you, a fucking liberal poofter like Bluestreak? It's about how much WORK they're willing to do. And they ARE willing to work.
It's time for the blue collar guys to get it through their heads: you are fucking dinosaurs. You're being left behind. And you damn well SHOULD be left behind. If you're not preparing your kids to work with the brains instead of their hands, you're dooming them to third-class citizenship. The Mexicans are going to take the low paying work-with-your-hands jobs. If you can't compete with an illiterate Mexican who doesn't speak English, YOU ARE A LOSER.
Your "solution" is nothing more than a decade long suicide pact.
Yes, and I wish congress would actually adress it.
The Washington Post shows how Obama does wa better than Republican admins in this regard:
"As of July, Obama deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants since the beginning of his administration — that’s 1.5 times more immigrants on average than Bush deported every month, according to official numbers from the Department of Homeland Security*. But that’s only part of Obama’s deportation strategy: The administration’s stated goal is to prioritize the deportation of criminal, dangerous illegal immigrants. And it’s promised to make a new program called Secure Communities mandatory by 2013, which would force local law enforcement to share fingerprints of those arrested with the Department of Homeland Security, which has immigration records, through the FBI."
I normaly think your posts are very well thought out and insightful sir but I take offense at at saying blue collar guys are dinosaurs. I'm not a fucking dinosaur sir. Nothing is more satisfying in busting my ass 12 hrs a day doing blue collar shit wither its Taking and engine out of a road tractor or fencing. I think your wrong in saying there isn't a place for us in the country anymore hopefully this country will continue to make shit. Not every one is cut out to work in an office or run of a computer all fucking day long. If our education system would get it through its skull that some of the schlubs need to be trucked on down to votech shit might get better. As for the Mexicans I've got no problem with those who are here to work, shit as a farmer I have worked with quite a few and they are hard working. I think they need visas and a way to citizenship. Or at the very least make it more accessible for a person that wants to come here and do the right thing and assimilate to become a citizen.
That statement couldn't be more lajikal....:icon_cool
1, You're a defeatist pussy. This isn't Manhattan Project or putting a man on the moon. It is sensible law enforcement and a big, fuckin' fence.
We absolutely can do it. YES WE CAN!
2. I want to address everybody crying about Arizona and Alabama. There are numerous reports of Mexicans leaving Arizona and Alabama. Alabama reported illegal immigrants fleeing from its school system and state and its unemployment rate promply dropped. We've been giving these guys the carrot and the velvet glove for 60 years and look where it has gotten us. Time for the stick and iron fist.
3. America is better than Mexico and El Salvador. No shit. So why would you want illegal Mexicans and Salvadorans here? Deny social services, health care, rent or home purchase, employment and even just things as basic as driving a car and America will be objectively worse for many and they will leave. You know why Hispanic countries suck. Discourage Hispanics and get them to stay in their nation and kick them out if they come in.
This is the present situation. Hispanics are many times more likely to commit crime than Whites. They are many times more likely to be on forms of welfare than Whites. The Hispanic race has basically been property of the DNC for 60 years. Hispanics have never supported Republicans in a nation-wide election and are probably going to 2 for 1 vote for an ABYSMAL FAILURE of a president who has them at a double digit unemployment rate (yep, those hard working border hoppers, doing the jobs that lielieliefacileleftistlie) because he has a D after his name. See, what you just said is the situation as it stands. You don't want to do anything about it. You want to throw in the towel and let a criminal underclass of Democrat-purchased welfare sponges turn this country into Mexico with Ice-Fishing.
There is no reason for Whites to just roll over and let their contry be stolen from them by parasite invaders and self-loathing Whites with more "compassion" than brains and backbone.
I'm not Blue collar nor a "dinosaur." I'm also not "stupid" by any stretch of the imagination. Somebody so concerned with IQ scores should be delighted at the prospect of booting out illegals on the left side of the Bell Curve.
WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, FUCKFACE?!?!
Edit: I missed the insanity about comparing the willing invasion of America to hit the dole and get food, clothing, shelter, education, medication, junk food, cable t.v., internet porno and an iPhone without doing a scrap of work to Black slavery. These aren't even remotely comparable situations, you dumb motherfucker.
One of the few things Marx (or was it Lenin?) said that had any merit: "The Capitalist will sell you the rope you use to hang him with." The GOP is so in love with cheap labor that they are selling the Democrats a permanent majority in return for it. The only Hispanics who are Republican are Cubans--and even they aren't totally reliable as dickwad NJ Senator Menendez proves.
Thennn what happened? Show me the unemployment rates since then. I bet you won't. Haha.
You mean the 8.3 figure from the drop to 7.4, which is still basically the national average? Lets see what the hard working welfare sponges are up to in California...
12 percent in California, 14.3 percent Hispanic unemployment compared to 11.1 for Whites in California and 7.2 percent for Whites nation wide.
Woo. Hard working Mexicans!
What, what's that? California is America's Welfare Queen?
Annnd.. Why do you think there was such a rapid decrease in unemployment and then a rapid Increase within a really short period of time? Perhaps whiteys took those jobs then quickly found out how much they suck.
Cheap labor ain't always cheap. Aside from all the explicit costs bourne by society at large (education, healthcare, overcrowding), there are opportunity costs. The Japanese, with a seriously old population, are throwing everything into robotics. Even if they don't succeed in creating an ass-wiping, bedpan-emptying, listening to old stories robot, they're going to push the envelope in robotic technology. (while we get stuck with a resentful peasant class)
Even without robotics, think of this: if landscaping wasn't so "artificially cheap" due to illegals, would the lawn mower industry be better off? (higher paying manufacturing jobs) and would both adults & kids be mowing lawns and getting desperately needed exercise--thus reducing US healthcare costs?