Norm Stansfield, Bill Lehecka fletcher mikek BIV dftns19 I thought the discussion on the listening thread was interesting, between the trolling and the themes it hit, so let's see if we can get the discussion going in a "clean" thread, without all the "how do you do X in Video Game Y?", "Opie sucks", and all the rest of the side conversations. From the bit that I've seen, the coach was out of control. What, precisely, is the point of throwing a basketball at one of your guys (at his head, his crotch, his chest, I don't give a fuck where) when he's looking the other way on an inbounds play? As in, he's looking at his teammate with the ball? I'm pretty sure that in basketball, only one ball is allowed on the court at one time, so you shouldn't be looking for a pass from anyone other than the inbounding player. I've been around coaches and teachers that have lost their cool. Shit, I've been the reason many of them have lost their cool. And I get that the footage in question was culled from hundreds of hours of footage and probably represents the worst of what this guy has done. That's kind of enough. It's like the hazing shit. Getting shit on because you're a rookie? No biggie. It's life. Getting the shit beaten out of you or getting ass r@ped by your "friends" because you're a rookie? That's fucking retarded. The shit this coach pulled doesn't toughen guys up. It doesn't teach them to be better players. It was about the coach, not about the players. It was about him, him, him, him. At best, that's the sign of a shitty coach.