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I feel even more insignificant now. Thanks.
I wonder where 909 posts fits into that scale.
 

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I seriously can't understand anyone who claims that there is no more intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe and in the same breath say that we are insignificant. If we are seriously the only sentient beings in this huge mind-fuck of a place, I'd say that's pretty significant. Fuck the Drake Equation, and fuck Carl Sagan for endorsing it. There's definitely life out there.
 

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Hey, where's heaven?
Well if you want to get technical it would be outside of that big bubble at the end and much smaller than God. At least that's what they would tell you.
 

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I seriously can't understand anyone who claims that there is no more intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe and in the same breath say that we are insignificant. If we are seriously the only sentient beings in this huge mind-fuck of a place, I'd say that's pretty significant.
So it never occurred to you that a couple billion years vs the concept of infinite time was infinitesimally small?

If you've come to grips with the concept of infinity, you might suppose that we're an early blip in the timeline of life. The next time life spontaneously appears might not be for 5 quadrillion years, and that might turn out to be about the expected amount of time.

Sorry but I just think people don't respect the bigness of numbers enough, considering that the largest one is infinity.
 

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So it never occurred to you that a couple billion years vs the concept of infinite time was infinitesimally small?

If you've come to grips with the concept of infinity, you might suppose that we're an early blip in the timeline of life. The next time life spontaneously appears might not be for 5 quadrillion years, and that might turn out to be about the expected amount of time.

Sorry but I just think people don't respect the bigness of numbers enough, considering that the largest one is infinity.
Agreed. I always bring up the following quote in this context:

Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as impossible on the basis of human experience is meaningless here. Given so much time, the 'impossible' becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain. One has only to wait: time itself performs the miracles.

- George Wald, Harvard University biochemist and Nobel Laureate, 1954
 

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"pot talk tuesdays" as opie would say
 

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This is just an estimate but I'm guessing there are 700 billion other planets out there with sentience. That is a conservative estimate though.
 

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So it never occurred to you that a couple billion years vs the concept of infinite time was infinitesimally small?

If you've come to grips with the concept of infinity, you might suppose that we're an early blip in the timeline of life. The next time life spontaneously appears might not be for 5 quadrillion years, and that might turn out to be about the expected amount of time.

Sorry but I just think people don't respect the bigness of numbers enough, considering that the largest one is infinity.
So by the same logic, the future, evolved version of the human race exists right now, many many lightyears away.
 

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Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as impossible on the basis of human experience is meaningless here. Given so much time, the 'impossible' becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain. One has only to wait: time itself performs the miracles.

- George Wald, Harvard University biochemist and Nobel Laureate, 1954
That's an awesome quote.

I once had a dumbassed thought that big bangs only happen when every single molecule in the universe was aligned the way it once was before. With the amount of random forces pushing against each other, obviously it would be impossible that that could ever happen. But the concept of infinity tells you that it must happen eventually.

It was a stupid thought, but I was proud to have had it since I was only 12.
 

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So by the same logic, the future, evolved version of the human race exists right now, many many lightyears away.
How did my logic suggest that? Explain.

I definitely think we're unique in existence btw.
 

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If we are unique in existence, then the Bible is true.
 

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If we are unique in existence, then the Bible is true.
I think what mills is trying to say is that the timescale of the universe is so large, that we actually COULD be the only sentient beings currently in existence, but that doesn't mean we will be the only sentient beings ever to exist in the universe. There could have been one or more sentient races before we existed, and there could be many more after we cease to exist, just not necessarily ones that coexist with us.
 

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I think what mills is trying to say is that the timescale of the universe is so large, that we actually COULD be the only sentient beings currently in existence, but that doesn't mean we will be the only sentient beings ever to exist in the universe. There could have been one or more sentient races before we existed, and there could be many more after we cease to exist, just not necessarily ones that coexist with us.
But the time scale is still nothing compared to the size of the infinite universe.
 

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string theory or m-theory?
 

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I think what mills is trying to say is that the timescale of the universe is so large, that we actually COULD be the only sentient beings currently in existence, but that doesn't mean we will be the only sentient beings ever to exist in the universe. There could have been one or more sentient races before we existed, and there could be many more after we cease to exist, just not necessarily ones that coexist with us.
Neon and his jew brain knew exactly what I was trying to say.
 

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I think what mills is trying to say is that the timescale of the universe is so large, that we actually COULD be the only sentient beings currently in existence, but that doesn't mean we will be the only sentient beings ever to exist in the universe. There could have been one or more sentient races before we existed, and there could be many more after we cease to exist, just not necessarily ones that coexist with us.
Neon and his jew brain knew exactly what I was trying to say.

OOOHhhhhhh. I gotcha now. Thanks, Jew.
 

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Not convinced, are ya.
I'm not convinced. But I am now in a position to respect your argument as you have made a good point. However, with as many galaxies as there are out there, there's no way that life isn't on at least one of them, even if they are wondering the same thing about us.