Sean Moore Says NJ Child Welfare Agency Overreacted To Facebook Photo Of Son Josh Holding Rifle

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Sean Moore claims a Facebook photo of his son, Josh, holding a rifle given to him for his upcoming 11th birthday led the state's child welfare agency to their home, demanding to be let inside and inspect their guns.

The ruddy-cheeked, camouflage-clad boy in the photo smiles out from behind a pair of glasses, proudly holding a gun his father gave him as a present for his upcoming 11th birthday.

The weapon in the photo, posted by his dad on Facebook, resembles a military-style assault rifle but, his father says, is actually just a .22-caliber copy. And that, the family believes, is why child welfare case workers and police officers visited the home in Carneys Point last Friday and asked to see his guns.

New Jersey's Department of Children and Families declined to comment specifically on the case but says it often follows up on tips. The family and an attorney say father Shawn Moore's Second Amendment rights to bear arms were threatened in a state that already has some of the nation's strictest gun laws and is considering strengthening them after December's schoolhouse massacre in Connecticut.

In this case, the family believes someone called New Jersey's anonymous child abuse hotline.

Shawn Moore said he gave his son Josh the gun as a present to use on hunting trips. The elder Moore was at a friend's house when his wife called, saying state child welfare investigators, along with four local police officers, were at the house, asking to inspect the family's guns.

Moore said he called his lawyer Evan Nappen, who specializes in Second Amendment cases, and had him on speakerphone as he arrived at his house in Carneys Point, just across the Delaware River from Wilmington, Del.

"They said they wanted to see into my safe and see if my guns were registered," Moore said. "I said no; in New Jersey, your guns don't have to be registered with the state; it's voluntary. I knew once I opened that safe, there was no going back."

With the lawyer listening in on the phone, Moore said he asked the investigators and police officers whether they had a warrant to search his home. When they said no, he asked them to leave. One of the child welfare officials would not identify herself when Moore asked for her name, he said.

The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said.

"I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse or neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

Carneys Point Police Chief Robert DiGregorio did not answer a call late Tuesday to his office.
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Stoopid question does NJ have that ban on evil flash suppressors as well?


Just gonna add this as it was on the same page...



Carron Washington

Carron Washington allegedly fed his 2-month-old daughter bleach because a friend from school told him it was a great cure for breathing trouble.

The kid is OK, but Washington still called the incident, "probably be the dumbest decision I ever made in my life."
 
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Commies gonna Commie

Seriously though, who was the nosey cunt who called that in to CPS?
 

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Gun grabbers are all around. The father handled it perfectly.

Hopefully, some people will wake up to the fact that Facebook is a huge self-surveillance scheme. Opt out for your freedom.
 

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Commies gonna Commie

Seriously though, who was the nosey cunt who called that in to CPS?
Facebook pays nothing in taxes on billions of dollars. How do you think they get little favors like that? Facebook is just an extension of the white house.
 

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Facebook pays nothing in taxes on billions of dollars. How do you think they get little favors like that? Facebook is just an extension of the white house.
Wow, you went full Kirk on that one.
 

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Facebook pays nothing in taxes on billions of dollars. How do you think they get little favors like that? Facebook is just an extension of the white house.
WUT?


As for the actual story. That's going too far. Teaching your kid to
properly handle fire arms is not abuse and from my experiences
CYS people are despicable and aren't really concerned with the
kids as much as making a name for themselves.
 

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WUT?


As for the actual story. That's going too far. Teaching your kid to
properly handle fire arms is not abuse and from my experiences
CYS people are despicable and aren't really concerned with the
kids as much as making a name for themselves.
Facebook the company could have alerted the state.
 

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They have taken pictures of me shooting and pictures of my guns down. I didn't even notice until I saw my album empty.
 

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They have taken pictures of me shooting and pictures of my guns down. I didn't even notice until I saw my album empty.
They took the page down of the special forces team that put up a meme that said something like 'Obama called the SEAL's and they got Bin Laden, SEAL's call Obama and get ignored. It's so obvious that Facebook is working with the white house, just like Blackwater was working with the CIA.
 

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They took the page down of the special forces team that put up a meme that said something like 'Obama called the SEAL's and they got Bin Laden, SEAL's call Obama and get ignored. It's so obvious that Facebook is working with the white house, just like Blackwater was working with the CIA.
Could be the funniest thing I've ever read from you. I heard that Ebay, Plenty of Fish, and Twitter, are all working with Al Queda too. And keep away from those bastards at Google. They're in deep with North Korea.
 

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I follow several facebook pages that are pro guns and have
plenty of pics of armed citizens and even kids. None get deleted.

I suspect this is more the work of some busy body cunt
like Bloomburg. Some one that can't mind their own business.
 

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My kid posts pictures of herself shooting guns all the time. She even wears a Gadsden flag shirt. Pretty sure she's on Barry's watch list.
 
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Facebook pays nothing in taxes on billions of dollars. How do you think they get little favors like that? Facebook is just an extension of the white house.
I hope you didn't hurt your back reaching for that one.
 

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I hope you didn't hurt your back reaching for that one.
You're right, I'm sure facebook doesn't have to pay taxes just because they are such swell guys. No quid pro quo, whatsoever.

Now that I think about it, it most likely was some busy body. Probably a broad.
 
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No, they didn't pay taxes because of lawyers, accountants and loopholes you fucking dunce.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw...llion-dollar-income-isnt-taxed-at-all-by-irs/
Who creates those loopholes? The bankers so they don't have to pay taxes and they can give their friends the same breaks. Only the non government connected will pay the taxes. Do you really believe the ones who create the code don't put in backdoor's for themselves? As the old saying goes, socialism is for the people, not the socialist leaders.

Question: With UBC, would the kid in the story have to get a background check before his dad could give him the gun?
 

mikeybot

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Who creates those loopholes? The bankers so they don't have to pay taxes and they can give their friends the same breaks. Only the non government connected will pay the taxes. Do you really believe the ones who create the code don't put in backdoor's for themselves? As the old saying goes, socialism is for the people, not the socialist leaders.

Question: With UBC, would the kid in the story have to get a background check before his dad could give him the gun?
Yes, loopholes that were created much prior to Facebook's existence and of course for themselves. But you were saying that FB specifically got breaks for doing things for the government.
Proof of that from a non-AJ or conspiracy source?
 

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Yes, loopholes that were created much prior to Facebook's existence and of course for themselves. But you were saying that FB specifically got breaks for doing things for the government.
Proof of that from a non-AJ or conspiracy source?
Just because the loopholes were created prior to facebook, does not mean facebook didn't get to take advantage of them because of their position with the white house. If they weren't friends with the white house, they wouldn't have been able to use those backdoor loopholes that existed before facebook existed.

GE got the same breaks and they also got billions in bailout money and they run MSNBC. Those loopholes existed before GM got the breaks but they got them because of their position with the white house. It has nothing to do with AJ, you can call fascism or crony capitalism or corporatism or Chicago politics.

Why wasn't there reports of GE paying nothing in taxes before Obama moved in? The loophole existed before Obama but it wasn't until they buddied up with Obama, that they got the tax breaks and billions in bailout money.
 

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They aren't "breaks from the White House". It's creative accounting as well as having "offices" in other countries and "basing" operations from there.
Also, proof they are "friends with the white house"?

I also thought you were supposed to keep your chicken little non-sense to your own thread and not derail other ones?
 

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They aren't "breaks from the White House". It's creative accounting as well as having "offices" in other countries and "basing" operations from there.
Also, proof they are "friends with the white house"?

I also thought you were supposed to keep your chicken little non-sense to your own thread and not derail other ones?
Sure thing, it sounds like you understand what I'm saying but you have no desire to agree or even entertain my position so we can end it there. Arguing about crony capitalism beyond this point would be pointless.
 

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Just because the loopholes were created prior to facebook, does not mean facebook didn't get to take advantage of them because of their position with the white house. If they weren't friends with the white house, they wouldn't have been able to use those backdoor loopholes that existed before facebook existed.

GE got the same breaks and they also got billions in bailout money and they run MSNBC. Those loopholes existed before GM got the breaks but they got them because of their position with the white house. It has nothing to do with AJ, you can call fascism or crony capitalism or corporatism or Chicago politics.

Why wasn't there reports of GE paying nothing in taxes before Obama moved in? The loophole existed before Obama but it wasn't until they buddied up with Obama, that they got the tax breaks and billions in bailout money.
Oh dear god. We get people to stop replying to your posts with "cunt" and "die"... What happens? You go back to old Kirk mode.

These tax loopholes suck, but to think that somehow Facebook is in cahoots with the govt is ridiculous. There are millions, if not billions of pics posted to FB everyday. There is no way they are looking at each and every one and reporting back to the thousands of govt entities out there to get people in trouble.

This fiasco is clearly the result of some busybody cunt that is on the guy's friend list and doesn't like guns.

You could have gone the usual Kirk angle and said something like "one of the other slaves got scared when he/she saw a gun and called youth services" and not a single person would have disagreed with you.