So this arab guy tells me.

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No, no coffee from gas stations nor 7-11's
give me my d&d.
Yeah good ol' LI and im right around the town with the HIGHEST on LI
Ding!

You are correct, sir.

Dunkin Dognuts makes the finest Joe on the planet.

Imagine my horror when I moved out to Indianapolis from LI last July and asked a local, "So... where the DDs at?" And they replied, "Ain't gots none." And I was all, "Oh noes! OMG!! U ppl suk!!"

Imagine my delight when last month they opened the very first, of a planned 50 DD's in the area, right down the street from me... and get this...

the stores are staffed with the white folks!! :icon_eek:

Ya gotta love the midwest.
 
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I'm still payin $2.85 for gas.

Fuck all y'all! How 'bout them apples?
 

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I'm still payin $2.85 for gas.

Fuck all y'all! How 'bout them apples?
I commute less than a mile each day. I have to take my car out on the weekends just to get it up to temperature. I fill up with gas every 3 months, how bout them apples? :action-sm

edit: yes, I know all the bicyclists and walkers will chime in, but this is a gasoline thread so go get fucked. :action-sm
 

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I dont know about the "all gas is the same" claims.

I have 4 gas stations here in town, all usually sell around the same price. Out of all the stations, Shell gas is the only gas I can run in my Civic and not get a ping. I also get an average of 1 or 2 mpg better.

Also, a buddy of mine used to work at a station. He said they only make between 2 and 4 cents per gallon.
 

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Gotta watch out for ethanol in your gas too. When I would get gas in Delaware or SE PA, it would be 15% ethanol, which knocks about 10-20% off your mileage. The cheaper gas may be blended with some corn liquor.
 

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There is a no name franchise selling 10% ethanol gas near me for about 10% cheaper than the other stations, the place is a friggin mob scene, people could care less about the ethanol percentage evidently
 

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Gotta watch out for ethanol in your gas too. When I would get gas in Delaware or SE PA, it would be 15% ethanol, which knocks about 10-20% off your mileage. The cheaper gas may be blended with some corn liquor.
Nope...

Pure Ethanol contains approx. 34% less energy per unit volume than gasoline, and therefore will result in a 34% reduction in miles per US gallon.

But the differences for Gasahol(blended gas and Ethenol) aren't nearly as bad as 10-20%.

E10 fuel- (10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) contains 1-2% less energy per volume than pure gasoline.

A 15% Ethanol blend would result in somewhere around a little less than 3% lower mileage.
 

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I dont know about the "all gas is the same" claims.

I have 4 gas stations here in town, all usually sell around the same price. Out of all the stations, Shell gas is the only gas I can run in my Civic and not get a ping. I also get an average of 1 or 2 mpg better.
Gas is distributed on a grid system similar to the way electricity is distributed. Thinking that one gas station has "better" gas than another station is like thinking you can get better, cleaner, more powerful electricity sent to your home than your neighbor has by going to your power company and buying Ultra Premium electricity.

Gasoline is not sold at auction like cattle. There isn't some auctioneer standing up on a podium while a tanker truck full of clean, pure-bred gasoline is paraded before a bunch of bidders...

Up for bid we have a tanker full of pure, top quality gasoline! Do I hear 20?! Twentygoinhemeanahaw! Twenty! I got twenty from the Kwiki Pump savage in the turban! Thirtyhemanahaw! Thirty! I got thirty from the Mobil station! Thirty goin' once! Thirty goin' twice! Sold!

And then the Kwiki Pump savage buys the next tanker full of low quality crappy gas for twenty...

That's not how it works.

The gas is ordered, and it's delivered. The gas is generic... it's not graded like beef.


Maybe your Civic has AIDS. Add a quart of broth next time you fill up... maybe that will help. :action-sm
 

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Gas is distributed on a grid system similar to the way electricity is distributed. Thinking that one gas station has "better" gas than another station is like thinking you can get better, cleaner, more powerful electricity sent to your home than your neighbor has by going to your power company and buying Ultra Premium electricity.

Gasoline is not sold at auction like cattle. There isn't some auctioneer standing up on a podium while a tanker truck full of clean, pure-bred gasoline is paraded before a bunch of bidders...

Up for bid we have a tanker full of pure, top quality gasoline! Do I hear 20?! Twentygoinhemeanahaw! Twenty! I got twenty from the Kwiki Pump savage in the turban! Thirtyhemanahaw! Thirty! I got thirty from the Mobil station! Thirty goin' once! Thirty goin' twice! Sold!

And then the Kwiki Pump savage buys the next tanker full of low quality crappy gas for twenty...

That's not how it works.

The gas is ordered, and it's delivered. The gas is generic... it's not graded like beef.


Maybe your Civic has AIDS. Add a quart of broth next time you fill up... maybe that will help. :action-sm
If all gas is the same, then why is Shell gas listed as a top tier gas by the big 3 automotive companies. There has to be different additives by different companies. Not only that but the bigger name oil companies are in compatition with each arent they? Why would exxon just drop their fuel load off at a sunonco just because they are on that grid? Your statement just doesnt make sense to me. Maybe i am misunderstanding.
 

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Some things, some of this has already been covered but I'll elaborate a little bit more...

Premium gas is required by newer vehicles for one of two reasons. 1) High compression, 2) A radical spark advance curve.

The reason that Land Rover or whatever it is still runs is because the knock sensors on the engine pick up the slightest beginnings of detonation and retard the timing before it actually pings loud enough for you to hear it.

As far as "gas is gas" goes. Each major oil company has their own "additive pack" that is added to their gas. Not every major company has a refinery in all parts of the country, so they buy from each other. I'll lay out an example. There's a Sunoco refinery in South Jersey, down near the end of I-295. It used to be a Coastal refinery, but Sunoco bought Coastal. Tankers go in there, fill up at the rack, and depending on where the fuel is going, the appropriate branded "additive pack" is added to the fuel. If it's for a no-name station, it gets a generic version of the "additive pack" put in.

My company vehicle is a Ford. The gas cap says "Ford recommends BP" and it means nothing. It's a bunch of nonsense. It's marketing, nothing else. They made a deal.

The differences between one brand's additives and another are insignificant. It's mostly marketing nonsense.

In the end, the quality of the gas coming out of the nozzle and into your tank is dependent more on the environment at the gas station. If they have a good tank-monitoring setup, they will be able to know if water gets in there. Water is heavier than gas so it settles to the bottom. Most systems set off a warning at the slightest detection of water (as low as 0.10"). It'll go into an alarm once there's an inch of water at the bottom of the tank. The pickup for the pump (which is in the tank, not sitting on the island - those are dispensers) is generally at least 10" off the bottom. So, even if there's an inch of water in the bottom of the tank, it won't get sucked up and end up in your car.

The filters in the dispensers will capture any kind of dirt or other foreign matter, down to a couple microns in size. Some unscrupulous fly-by-night places cheap-out by installing empty canisters with no filter media. Generally, such places are real shitholes and you wouldn't want to buy your gas there anyway.

The best thing you can do is buy gas from a clean, newer gas station that sells alot of fuel. It'll be fresher and cleaner, and chances are they maintain their equipment better than some 25-year-old rathole of a station.
 

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The best thing you can do is buy gas from a clean, newer gas station that sells alot of fuel. It'll be fresher and cleaner, and chances are they maintain their equipment better than some 25-year-old rathole of a station.
Also what I try to stay away from is when a station is getting a fill up on there tanks.... cause what ever settlement from the bottom of the tanks is now circulating and then gets into your vehicles gas tank when your filling up the same time the station is getting there load.
 

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I was editing my post and got booted somehow.

A few more things:

1) The ethanol is added at the rack with the additive package at the refinery. In PA/NJ, it's 10% ethanol (E10). You won't be getting a higher percentage. That's the legally mandated requirement. There is E-85, but that is big out in the central/western U.S. (corn country). Closest area I've heard that has it is Pittsburgh.

2) The filters in the dispensers would clog from the sediment in the bottom of the tank getting stirred up when they get a delivery. A busy station will get enough deliveries that there would never be a chance for anything to settle to the bottom. I know stations that get 5 tanker-loads a day. Most stations will get at least one tanker a day in busy areas.

3) Some places employ what are known as "water alert" filters, which contain a material that reacts to water and swells, cutting off flow 100%. That prevents the possibility of pumping water into someone's tank.

Fill your tank before it goes below 1/4 and you'll save yourself alot of headaches. For two reasons. Most fuel-pumps (which in today's fuel-injected cars are in the tank) have a "sock" filter attached. It's basically a mesh bag that looks like a sock on the intake. It floats in the tank and acts like a strainer and prevents dirt from getting pumped in. When your fuel level gets real low, it's gonna be floating at the bottom of the tank, where any crud is. If it gets torn, or whatever, you'll suck that dirt right in and it ends up in your fuel injectors. This isn't an everyday thing. But, I have seen it. The other thing, the fuel-pump is cooled by the gasoline in the tank. Low-fuel level means little or no cooling for the fuel pump which leads to premature failure.
 

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we have two gas stations in our town that always compete, right now gas is 2.60 while others are 2.99. They have a line down the road the 12 hours they are open
 

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If all gas is the same, then why is Shell gas listed as a top tier gas by the big 3 automotive companies. There has to be different additives by different companies. Not only that but the bigger name oil companies are in compatition with each arent they? Why would exxon just drop their fuel load off at a sunonco just because they are on that grid? Your statement just doesnt make sense to me. Maybe i am misunderstanding.
The notion that the gasoline sold at a Mobil station was drilled and pumped up from a Mobil well, refined at a Mobil refinery, shipped by a Mobil tanker ship, stored at a Mobil bulk terminal, loaded into a Mobil Tanker truck and delivered to the Mobil station on the corner just isn't realistic.

That's not how the system works.

Gasoline is a generic commodity. The "branding" of gasoline takes place only at the very end of the distribution chain, and boils down to essentially nothing more than marketing gimmicks... creating the illusion that you're getting "better" gasoline from a particular company.

As others have pointed out... the quality and cleanliness of the actual physical storage and pumping equipment at each individual gas station WILL make a difference... the gas being delivered in the tanker truck will NOT... being that it's essentially all the same stuff.
 

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1) The ethanol is added at the rack with the additive package at the refinery. In PA/NJ, it's 10% ethanol (E10). You won't be getting a higher percentage. That's the legally mandated requirement. There is E-85, but that is big out in the central/western U.S. (corn country). Closest area I've heard that has it is Pittsburgh.
I'll add if I may...

A few cities in the U.S. have mandated E10 be sold at pumps within city limits. Here in corn country... Indianapolis it's all E10. It's a pollution reduction thing.

Also... you can't run your standard car on E85... you need one of them there newfangled "FlexFuel" vee-hickles in order to run on the E85 moonshine.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfueltype.htm
 

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From Wiki:

A little out-of-date, but informative. Several states (PA, NY, NJ at least that I know of) require E10.
United States

Most cars on the road today in the U.S. can run on blends of up to 10% ethanol, and motor vehicle manufacturers already produce vehicles designed to run on much higher ethanol blends. Portland, Oregon, recently became the first city in the United States to require all gasoline sold within city limits to contain at least 10% ethanol. Several motor vehicle manufacturers, including Ford, DaimlerChrysler, and GM, sell “flexible-fuel” cars, trucks, and minivans that can use gasoline and ethanol blends ranging from pure gasoline up to 85% ethanol (E85). By mid-2006, there were approximately six million E85-compatible vehicles on U.S. roads.

Fuel ethanol as it is currently produced in the United States is variously criticized for its dependence on high subsidies, its consumption of more energy than is contained in the resulting fuel, and its (usually) consuming a food crop to produce fuel. The subsidies have resulted in the conversion of considerable land to corn (maize) production, which generally consumes more fertilizers and pesticides than many other land uses. Recent developments with cellulosic ethanol production and commercialization may allay some of these concerns.
 

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We're closing in on 20 ethanol plants here in South Dakota and E10 is available at pretty much every gas station. E85 is available in most towns but can be harder to find.

E10 is usually 5-10 cents per gallon less than regular. The price of E85 is 40-80 cents lower than E10. My car (2003 Impala) loses about 2 miles per gallon burning ethanol vs. regular. Most of the people I know with E85 compatible vehicles don't burn the stuff because they lose about 1/4-1/3 of their mileage on E85.

Gas was a mere $2/gallon just a year ago. TWO DOLLARS!! Oh, those were the days.
 
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Which gas station has the best stuff to huff?

Fuck my car, I run it on McDonald's grease.
 

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If all gas is the same, then why is Shell gas listed as a top tier gas by the big 3 automotive companies. There has to be different additives by different companies. Not only that but the bigger name oil companies are in compatition with each arent they? Why would exxon just drop their fuel load off at a sunonco just because they are on that grid? Your statement just doesnt make sense to me. Maybe i am misunderstanding.
I'll try and answer each question specifically...

If all gas is the same, then why is Shell gas listed as a top tier gas by the big 3 automotive companies.
I've already given the reason for this earlier in this thread, but here it is again...

The auto manufacturer's are all in cahoots with the Amerikkkan military/industrial petrochemical complex, and they're all about brainwashing the sheeple, and picking their pockets in order to fund their 'blood for oil' war, ...

wait for it...

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!


There has to be different additives by different companies.
There are differences, but they're similar in that they're all equally as worthless.

Not only that but the bigger name oil companies are in compatition with each arent they?
Yes... they compete to see who can build the bigger mountain of money. The prices are all fixed so they don't need to compete against each other in the actual market.

Why would exxon just drop their fuel load off at a sunonco just because they are on that grid?
Because that's the way it works... the Exxon tanker ship pulls in at a Sunoco strorage terminal and offloads it's cargo into a big tank... and then the Hess tanker pulls in after that and offloads into the same big tank... and then the BP tanker pulls up... etc... etc...

And then...

The Texaco tanker trucks pulls up to the same big tank and they fill it up... and then the Smackatellee Fuel Oil Transport Company of Elksnout Pennsyltucky tanker truck pulls up... etc... etc...

And then those trucks bring it to whatever retail gasoline station needs it.

And then we ham and eggers bend over and let them pick our pockets and pump the gas up our asses.

The end.
 

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I'll try and answer each question specifically...



I've already given the reason for this earlier in this thread, but here it is again...

The auto manufacturer's are all in cahoots with the Amerikkkan military/industrial petrochemical complex, and they're all about brainwashing the sheeple, and picking their pockets in order to fund their 'blood for oil' war, ...

wait for it...

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!




There are differences, but they're similar in that they're all equally as worthless.



Yes... they compete to see who can build the bigger mountain of money. The prices are all fixed so they don't need to compete against each other in the actual market.



Because that's the way it works... the Exxon tanker ship pulls in at a Sunoco strorage terminal and offloads it's cargo into a big tank... and then the Hess tanker pulls in after that and offloads into the same big tank... and then the BP tanker pulls up... etc... etc...

And then...

The Texaco tanker trucks pulls up to the same big tank and they fill it up... and then the Smackatellee Fuel Oil Transport Company of Elksnout Pennsyltucky tanker truck pulls up... etc... etc...

And then those trucks bring it to whatever retail gasoline station needs it.

And then we ham and eggers bend over and let them pick our pockets and pump the gas up our asses.

The end.
ok, now it makes sense. Sometimes you just have to write it out in crayon for me to understand. ::hammer: