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Marvel Wants A Fresh Start With 'Spider-Man' Without Andrew Garfield



We previously reported on the potential deal between Marvel and Sony to share the rights to Spider-Man at a 60/40 split, and that deal seems to be the one that will potentially be jump-started if Sony Pictures Entertainment continues to stumble in their handling of the Spider-Man franchise.

Sony is understandably preoccupied with the consequences of a massive hack that includes leaked films, downed intranet services and the leak of documents and e-mails, but should this deal move forward, we've learned some more details about what Spider-Man's potential return to Marvel would entail.

The 60/40 split still looks to be the divide with Sony handling distribution. However, Marvel's not inclined to give Sony creative control over the character, nor planning on honoring the contracts with Sony's Spider-Stars. More poking into the origins of the Aunt May solo film and Female Spider movie rumors revealed that these were actual Sony Picture Entertainment plans that Marvel knew about and severely disliked. Now that Marvel can have the rights to the character back, they plan to wipe the slate with the Amazing Spider-Man universe.

IF the Marvel/Sony deal were to go forward, Andrew Garfield would no longer be Peter Parker and any baggage from existing films, Raimi or Webb, would be non-canonical, Marvel doesn't want any part of those films. The idea is that the Spider-Man romance movie has been played out over five installments, so any new Spider-Man films would focus on the difficulties of being a teenager and a superhero with a romance side-story, not the film's focus. Marvel also thinks that the origin story is well-trodden territory, so any Spider-Man movies under this deal would begin with Peter Parker already leading a dual life. Spider-Man making his debut in Captain America: Civil War is still a distinct possibility and would serve as the character's introduction to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But as of now Spider-Man will NOT be in Civil War. I was told that they have a script nailed down.



Marvel's desire to remove Andrew Garfield from the role was a major point of contention with Sony's Amy Pascal, traditionally a stalwart defender of the talent in her films. However, current events leave her positioned slightly weakened.
 

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So the last leaked emails I read indicated that possible deals fell through. Has there been new work that the deal is now close to being done? This would be fantastic.
 

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Smart move. I hate his face for whatever reason. He is like the Thomas Muller of movies.
 

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the Marvel movie universe won't feel complete without Spiderman.
 

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This has all been covered in the general Marvel thread, but I suppose if it comes to fruition it will deserve it's own moment in the sun. I'll maintain the same "I'll believe it when I see it" stance.

The identity crisis Sony seems to be having is that Spider-Man has been a member of the Avengers for about 10 years now, and they (along with everyone else) seem to think having huge team-up movies is the only way to go.

It's a stupid way of looking at things for many reasons. First of all, Spidey was NOT a member of the Avengers for 44 years, so there is lots of material to be mined. Secondly, he's still a part time member for the most part. Having him be part of a big team up thing is not required. It's all about managing expectations for any "solo" superhero movie.

A Spider-Man movie that makes $700 million is hardly the embarrassment that Sony seems to think it is. They just have to accept that these team up movies are going to make much more and budget the Spidey films accordingly.
 

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So the last leaked emails I read indicated that possible deals fell through. Has there been new work that the deal is now close to being done? This would be fantastic.
No, this is all just speculation, but the guy wrote it to sound kind of factual. Not a very well written piece. The public revelation of the discussions puts an enormous amount of pressure on Marvel and Sony to get a deal done though.

Fanboy wishful thinking is one thing, but the backlash if this is put in front of folks like this and taken away will damage both companies severely.
 

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No, this is all just speculation, but the guy wrote it to sound kind of factual. Not a very well written piece. The public revelation of the discussions puts an enormous amount of pressure on Marvel and Sony to get a deal done though.

Fanboy wishful thinking is one thing, but the backlash if this is put in front of folks like this and taken away will damage both companies severely.
And Sony is so fucked right now they may just release it to make it go away so they can focus on putting out other fires.
 

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Re-hashing the same old tired story is beyond lame. Especially, when they do it every couple of years.
 

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And Sony is so fucked right now they may just release it to make it go away so they can focus on putting out other fires.
Well that's not going to happen. It's a negotiation, and just because Sony is in the middle of a public relations nightmare doesn't mean they still don't have a very big ace in their hand.

As I said a while back, there is a perfect way this can all work:

Marvel borrows Spidey for Cap 3/Avengers 3/Avengers 4/whatevs

Marvel helps Sony find the right guy to be Spidey, the right person to direct the movie, and splits the costs and profits with Sony. Marvel not only knows how to make these movies better, they know how to make them smarter, as in cheaper.

Sony in essence "borrows" Daredevil, the Punisher, Kingpin, and other characters that are traditional Spidey-verse guys as part of the Spidey solo movies. THOSE are the team ups that make sense. Not only for Sony, but for Marvel - it's a way to graduate those characters to the movies without having them headline things.
 

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Marvel Wants A Fresh Start With 'Spider-Man' Without Andrew Garfield



We previously reported on the potential deal between Marvel and Sony to share the rights to Spider-Man at a 60/40 split, and that deal seems to be the one that will potentially be jump-started if Sony Pictures Entertainment continues to stumble in their handling of the Spider-Man franchise.

Sony is understandably preoccupied with the consequences of a massive hack that includes leaked films, downed intranet services and the leak of documents and e-mails, but should this deal move forward, we've learned some more details about what Spider-Man's potential return to Marvel would entail.

The 60/40 split still looks to be the divide with Sony handling distribution. However, Marvel's not inclined to give Sony creative control over the character, nor planning on honoring the contracts with Sony's Spider-Stars. More poking into the origins of the Aunt May solo film and Female Spider movie rumors revealed that these were actual Sony Picture Entertainment plans that Marvel knew about and severely disliked. Now that Marvel can have the rights to the character back, they plan to wipe the slate with the Amazing Spider-Man universe.

IF the Marvel/Sony deal were to go forward, Andrew Garfield would no longer be Peter Parker and any baggage from existing films, Raimi or Webb, would be non-canonical, Marvel doesn't want any part of those films. The idea is that the Spider-Man romance movie has been played out over five installments, so any new Spider-Man films would focus on the difficulties of being a teenager and a superhero with a romance side-story, not the film's focus. Marvel also thinks that the origin story is well-trodden territory, so any Spider-Man movies under this deal would begin with Peter Parker already leading a dual life. Spider-Man making his debut in Captain America: Civil War is still a distinct possibility and would serve as the character's introduction to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But as of now Spider-Man will NOT be in Civil War. I was told that they have a script nailed down.



Marvel's desire to remove Andrew Garfield from the role was a major point of contention with Sony's Amy Pascal, traditionally a stalwart defender of the talent in her films. However, current events leave her positioned slightly weakened.
Spider-man wears adidas?
 

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In any case, I want Marvel to do Spidey simply because Marvel have proven themselves good at making Marvel character movies and I don't really like any of the existing ones, even the Raimi ones. They're alright but they aren't Marvel-tier.
 

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I can't keep track.
Well it makes sense to break it out since that's a spoiler thread and this would obviously be the biggest news ever (Bigger than Beavis, even) if it came to pass.
 

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In any case, I want Marvel to do Spidey simply because Marvel have proven themselves good at making Marvel character movies and I don't really like any of the existing ones, even the Raimi ones. They're alright but they aren't Marvel-tier.
Liddy will be in to bite your face off any second, but I agree completely. Raimi's movies (the first two, at least) worked for what they were, which were films about people who took themselves way too seriously made by a guy who didn't take anything seriously.

TASM movies were even worse because the characters and the filmmakers took themselves too seriously.
 

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In any case, I want Marvel to do Spidey simply because Marvel have proven themselves good at making Marvel character movies and I don't really like any of the existing ones, even the Raimi ones. They're alright but they aren't Marvel-tier.
Yeah, the closest was Spiderman 2, but the losing powers subplot sucked shit. Those Doc Ock fights were really fantastic, though.
 

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TASM movies were even worse because the characters and the filmmakers took themselves too seriously.
That and the source material was horrible.
 

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I HATED the new guy as spiderman. He felt like one of those skater hipster dicks. Peter Parker is supposed to be a geek. Plain and simple.
 

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I HATED the new guy as spiderman. He felt like one of those skater hipster dicks. Peter Parker is supposed to be a geek. Plain and simple.
I'll say what other have said, good Spiderman, terrible Peter Parker.
 

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I have not watched the last "new" spiderman

I'll probably miss this set too

how many times can they redo this series before the audience stops buying?

they could at least wait a decade or so like star trek did, it is opening up a whole new group of people to the whole series and old movies
 

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Marvel is tired of reboots and orgins. i liked Andrew Garfield as Spiderman but there was a lot of problems with Sam Raimi's trilogy which i love but there were problems with the new series.

At least the Spiderman, Punisher, Ghost Rider and X-Men movies aren't DC movies. Green Lantern needs a serious reboot if they want Justice League
 

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Instead of "reboots", just move on with what they have....work the story to make sense as much as possible. Majority of people are too ADHD to pay attention anyways....as long as there are Lens flare and explosions, it'll be a hit.
 

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If Marvel gets the rights, just integrate him into the existing movies. We are tired of the 3,684th rehashing of Spiderman vs Green Goblin. Use him as window dressing in your existing pantheon of movies coming out and in ten years or so, consider revisiting the Spiderman franchise.

And as much as I loathe Tobey, Andrew Garfield was way worse.
 

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Spider-Man as a romance movie has been played out over five installments, so any new Spider-Man films would focus on the difficulties of being a superhero with a romance side-story, not the film's focus.
The origin story is well-trodden territory, so any Spider-Man movies under this deal would begin with Peter Parker already leading a dual life. Spider-Man making his debut in Captain America: Civil War
a distinct possibility and would serve as the character's introduction to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Please let this happen, before Sony Batman and Robin's the franchise.
 

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I loved the way the Ed Norton Hulk started, within like 3 minutes of credits they got everyone up to speed. Do the same here, we can quickly figure out if he shoots the webs Raimi style or Marc Webb/Classic style.

And as much as I enjoyed Andrew Garfield, the dude is like 30. I'd love to see the part given to an actual 18 or 20 year old. Someone who could actually grow up with the part.
 

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I loved the way the Ed Norton Hulk started, within like 3 minutes of credits they got everyone up to speed. Do the same here, we can quickly figure out if he shoots the webs Raimi style or Marc Webb/Classic style.
I think any superhero movie can do that. If Snyder didn't make Man of Steel all weird, I could easily imagine a Superman movie that begins with a bunch of Daily Planet headlines/clips of him saving Metropolis.

And as much as I enjoyed Andrew Garfield, the dude is like 30. I'd love to see the part given to an actual 18 or 20 year old. Someone who could actually grow up with the part.
I wouldn't mind an older Spider-Man, and I like Garfield as Spidey (hate him as Parker though), but him graduating high school in the start of TASM2 was hilarious.