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LiddyRules

I Think I'll Eat An Apple
Well, Luke’s not really “gone”. Force ghost Luke can certainly appear in IX, so his arc is not necessarly over.



Again, very missed opportunities in TLJ
I know he can come back as a Force Ghost, but I think that something is lost if he sacrifices his life and can just pick up where he left off whatever. Force Ghosts should be there as mentors, to provide guidance, not to continue their storyline. His death needs to mean something, and if he does more as a ghost than as a person, I think that's lazy writing.
 

LiddyRules

I Think I'll Eat An Apple
As a setup the the prequel "pseudo-Obi Wan hermit, a Star Wars Story"
You made me interested about whether Sydow/Guinness were ever in a movie together. And they were, 1966's Quiller Memorandum where Just Shoot Me's George Segal is top billed.

In the West Berlin of the 1960s, two British agents are killed by a Nazi group, prompting British Intelligence to dispatch agent Quiller to investigate.
If this is ever on TCM, I'll DVR it. Why not?
 

Floyd1977

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I know he can come back as a Force Ghost, but I think that something is lost if he sacrifices his life and can just pick up where he left off whatever. Force Ghosts should be there as mentors, to provide guidance, not to continue their storyline. His death needs to mean something, and if he does more as a ghost than as a person, I think that's lazy writing.
Now that I think of it, Luke did kind of close his arc in TLJ. He admitted his failure with Kylo, He eventually “joins” the fight against the First Order and declares he will not be the last Jedi. So he’s kind of learned to see the value of the Jedi again. There probbably isn’t much more he can do. Maybe he shows up in IX to guide Rey and we see him more at peace and that closes him out.
 
You made me interested about whether Sydow/Guinness were ever in a movie together. And they were, 1966's Quiller Memorandum where Just Shoot Me's George Segal is top billed.



If this is ever on TCM, I'll DVR it. Why not?
I watched it about a month ago. Considering who was in it, it should have been a lot better than it was.

If you have FXM, look for it on there. Usually between 6:00 A.M. and 12 P.M. a couple of times a week.
 

LiddyRules

I Think I'll Eat An Apple
the as-yet-untitled “Star Wars” series, which will take place seven years after the action in “Return of the Jedi,”




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Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
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Loan has had enough of your shit @LiddyRules
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/movies/kelly-marie-tran.html
It wasn’t their words, it’s that I started to believe them.

Their words seemed to confirm what growing up as a woman and a person of color already taught me: that I belonged in margins and spaces, valid only as a minor character in their lives and stories.

And those words awakened something deep inside me — a feeling I thought I had grown out of. The same feeling I had when at 9, I stopped speaking Vietnamese altogether because I was tired of hearing other kids mock me. Or at 17, when at dinner with my white boyfriend and his family, I ordered a meal in perfect English, to the surprise of the waitress, who exclaimed, “Wow, it’s so cute that you have an exchange student!”

Their words reinforced a narrative I had heard my whole life: that I was “other,” that I didn’t belong, that I wasn’t good enough, simply because I wasn’t like them. And that feeling, I realize now, was, and is, shame, a shame for the things that made me different, a shame for the culture from which I came from. And to me, the most disappointing thing was that I felt it at all.

Because the same society that taught some people they were heroes, saviors, inheritors of the Manifest Destiny ideal, taught me I existed only in the background of their stories, doing their nails, diagnosing their illnesses, supporting their love interests — and perhaps the most damaging — waiting for them to rescue me.

And for a long time, I believed them.

I believed those words, those stories, carefully crafted by a society that was built to uphold the power of one type of person — one sex, one skin tone, one existence.

It reinforced within me rules that were written before I was born, rules that made my parents deem it necessary to abandon their real names and adopt American ones — Tony and Kay — so it was easier for others to pronounce, a literal erasure of culture that still has me aching to the core.

And as much as I hate to admit it, I started blaming myself. I thought, “Oh, maybe if I was thinner” or “Maybe if I grow out my hair” and, worst of all, “Maybe if I wasn’t Asian.” For months, I went down a spiral of self-hate, into the darkest recesses of my mind, places where I tore myself apart, where I put their words above my own self-worth.

And it was then that I realized I had been lied to.

I had been brainwashed into believing that my existence was limited to the boundaries of another person’s approval. I had been tricked into thinking that my body was not my own, that I was beautiful only if someone else believed it, regardless of my own opinion. I had been told and retold this by everyone: by the media, by Hollywood, by companies that profited from my insecurities, manipulating me so that I would buy their clothes, their makeup, their shoes, in order to fill a void that was perpetuated by them in the first place.

Yes, I have been lied to. We all have.
And it was in this realization that I felt a different shame — not a shame for who I was, but a shame for the world I grew up in. And a shame for how that world treats anyone who is different.

I am not the first person to have grown up this way. This is what it is to grow up as a person of color in a white-dominated world. This is what it is to be a woman in a society that has taught its daughters that we are worthy of love only if we are deemed attractive by its sons. This is the world I grew up in, but not the world I want to leave behind.

I want to live in a world where children of color don’t spend their entire adolescence wishing to be white. I want to live in a world where women are not subjected to scrutiny for their appearance, or their actions, or their general existence. I want to live in a world where people of all races, religions, socioeconomic classes, sexual orientations, gender identities and abilities are seen as what they have always been: human beings.

This is the world I want to live in. And this is the world that I will continue to work toward.

These are the thoughts that run through my head every time I pick up a script or a screenplay or a book. I know the opportunity given to me is rare. I know that I now belong to a small group of privileged people who get to tell stories for a living, stories that are heard and seen and digested by a world that for so long has tasted only one thing. I know how important that is. And I am not giving up.

You might know me as Kelly.

I am the first woman of color to have a leading role in a “Star Wars” movie.

I am the first Asian woman to appear on the cover of Vanity Fair.

My real name is Loan. And I am just getting started.
 

LiddyRules

I Think I'll Eat An Apple
I just complained about the character. I never turned her Wiki into Ching Chong. Now I'm j'accused!

I feel bad that of all Asian women, she's the one who can claim First achievements. Why not Lucy Liu, Rinko Kikuchi, Jessica Henwick, or that one @Jacuzzi Billy is into? We've empowered the shittiest Asian.

That said, Loan Tran is a better name than Kelly Marie Tran.
 

HandPanzer

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As soon as someone refers to themselves as a "person of color" or "marginalized" my eyes immediately glaze over.
 

BIV

I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.
As soon as someone refers to themselves as a "person of color" or "marginalized" my eyes immediately glaze over.
Or any kind of "identity".

As far as I'm concerned, any argument that starts with "As a _____" is instantly invalid.
 

Frankie_b

Talk softly and drive a big tank!
I know he can come back as a Force Ghost, but I think that something is lost if he sacrifices his life and can just pick up where he left off whatever. Force Ghosts should be there as mentors, to provide guidance, not to continue their storyline. His death needs to mean something, and if he does more as a ghost than as a person, I think that's lazy writing.
I cant really remember the end of TLJ as it was boring as all hell but was Lukes body burned was he confirmed as dead? Cause that punk bitch may just have been sleepy from going from hiding from the force to using it to project himself across the universe and disco dance with some Emo bitch.
 

Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
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I cant really remember the end of TLJ as it was boring as all hell but was Lukes body burned was he confirmed as dead? Cause that punk bitch may just have been sleepy from going from hiding from the force to using it to project himself across the universe and disco dance with some Emo bitch.
He disappeared like Yoda and Obi Wan did and his sister and that nobody girl with no Force training that met him earlier that week felt his passing.
 

Frankie_b

Talk softly and drive a big tank!
He disappeared like Yoda and Obi Wan did and his sister and that nobody girl with no Force training that met him earlier that week felt his passing.
He will no doubt be dead, but I will not be surprised if he was never actually in any of the places he was seen and again elsewhere projecting himself.

Also wouldnt surprise me if they try have him as snoke, trying to manipulate both sides, light and dark for some inane reason.
 

LiddyRules

I Think I'll Eat An Apple
He disappeared like Yoda and Obi Wan did and his sister and that nobody girl with no Force training that met him earlier that week felt his passing.
I don't remember Rey feeling his passing.

But you're right, she must have been there for barely a week if her story is concurrent with all the others, unless the convoy took months.
 

Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
Donator
He will no doubt be dead, but I will not be surprised if he was never actually in any of the places he was seen and again elsewhere projecting himself.

Also wouldnt surprise me if they try have him as snoke, trying to manipulate both sides, light and dark for some inane reason.
Definitely don’t think that’s going to happen, although I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Snoke wasn’t dead. Those dice hung around as solid objects for quite some time after Luke died, so there’s no reason Snoke couldn’t maintain the illusion of his dead body.
 

Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
Donator
I don't remember Rey feeling his passing.

But you're right, she must have been there for barely a week if her story is concurrent with all the others, unless the convoy took months.
Can’t find her saying it and this is a laughably bad quality clip, but look how they cut from Luke to Rey to Leia.
Rey tells Leia “Luke is gone” while they’re on the Falcon. I’m pretty sure of it.
 

LiddyRules

I Think I'll Eat An Apple
Definitely don’t think that’s going to happen, although I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Snoke wasn’t dead. Those dice hung around as solid objects for quite some time after Luke died, so there’s no reason Snoke couldn’t maintain the illusion of his dead body.
I honestly wonder if the dice hanging around was intentional or if Johnson didn't care because he thought the emotional oomph would be worth the continuity error. (It wasn't.)

I think we'll get Richard E. Grant as pre-messed up face Snoke, but I don't think we'll actually get Snoke back because he's not interesting/developed enough to throw that wrench in the gears. With Episode 9, Abrams is going to play is really, really safe, kind of like he did with TFA, but even more so. TLJ showed that you're never going to please "Star Wars fans." I mean look at some of BIV's posts. You're not going to win that over; don't even try. I think the Internet exaggerates just how much the public hated TLJ and the choices made throughout, but if Disney sees it as a failure, the easiest and wisest thing to do is be simple and make a blockbuster pleasing to the average audience member.
 

Frankie_b

Talk softly and drive a big tank!
Definitely don’t think that’s going to happen, although I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Snoke wasn’t dead. Those dice hung around as solid objects for quite some time after Luke died, so there’s no reason Snoke couldn’t maintain the illusion of his dead body.
Snoke was taken out too easy, would they really go to all the bother and just cast him aside, he's either a projection/illusion or a pawn used by the real 'master' to protect and hide himself
 

LiddyRules

I Think I'll Eat An Apple
Can’t find her saying it and this is a laughably bad quality clip, but look how they cut from Luke to Rey to Leia.
Rey tells Leia “Luke is gone” while they’re on the Falcon. I’m pretty sure of it.
How the fuck is Luke Skywalker's death and the reaction to it is the least memorable bit of the movie?
 

Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
Donator
Snoke was taken out too easy, would they really go to all the bother and just cast him aside, he's either a projection/illusion or a pawn used by the real 'master' to protect and hide himself
As I've said for a while now, I could buy the company line that Rian Johnson made all these decisions himself, subverting expectations and smashing all the mystery boxes that JJ put together in The Force Awakens...until JJ Abrams agreed to come back and direct Episode 9.

Forget anything that actually happened in the movies themselves. Say you're working for a company overseeing several projects and then you leave the company before they are finished. The next guy comes in and says everything you did was shit, and your old boss agrees with you. They take everything you were working on and change it or just throw it out altogether, all while saying what a great job the new guy did destroying everything you had worked on. Then they call you and want to hire you back to finish all the projects. Do you take that job? Nobody takes that job.
 

Frankie_b

Talk softly and drive a big tank!
As I've said for a while now, I could buy the company line that Rian Johnson made all these decisions himself, subverting expectations and smashing all the mystery boxes that JJ put together in The Force Awakens...until JJ Abrams agreed to come back and direct Episode 9.

Forget anything that actually happened in the movies themselves. Say you're working for a company overseeing several projects and then you leave the company before they are finished. The next guy comes in and says everything you did was shit, and your old boss agrees with you. They take everything you were working on and change it or just throw it out altogether, all while saying what a great job the new guy did destroying everything you had worked on. Then they call you and want to hire you back to finish all the projects. Do you take that job? Nobody takes that job.
Not entirely sure if youre agreeing or disagreeing, Disney had set out what they had wanted from each character already and were employing people to make it happen, JJ was still involved throughout TLJ was he not. consulting or someshit?
 
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