Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order

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Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order

So far, intelligence sources say, bombs loaded with the components of sarin haven't yet been loaded onto planes. NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports.

By Jim Miklaszewski and M. Alex Johnson, NBC News

The Syrian military is prepared to use chemical weapons against its own people and is awaiting final orders from President Bashar Assad, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday.

The military has loaded the precursor chemicals for sarin, a deadly nerve gas, into aerial bombs that could be dropped onto the Syrian people from dozens of fighter-bombers, the officials said.

As recently as Tuesday, officials had said there was as yet no evidence that the process of mixing the "precursor" chemicals had begun. But Wednesday, they said their worst fears had been confirmed: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs.

Sarin is an extraordinarily lethal agent. Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's forces killed 5,000 Kurds with a single sarin attack on Halabja in 1988.

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reiterated U.S. warnings to Assad not to use chemical weapons, saying he would be crossing "a red line" if he did so.

Speaking Wednesday at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Clinton said the Syrian government was on the brink of collapse, raising the prospect that "an increasingly desperate Assad regime" might turn to chemical weapons or that the banned weapons could fall into other hands.

"Ultimately, what we should be thinking about is a political transition in Syria and one that should start as soon as possible," Clinton said. "We believe their fall is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people have to die before that occurs."

Aides told NBC News that Clinton was expected next week to officially recognize the main opposition movement, the National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, with which she is scheduled to meet in Morocco. Britain, France, Turkey and some key Arab leaders have already recognized the opposition.

Fighting intensified Wednesday in the 21-month civil war, which has left 40,000 people dead. The U.N. withdrew its personnel from Damascus, saying conditions were too dangerous.

The government said this week that it wouldn't use chemical weapons on its own people after President Barack Obama warned that doing so would be "totally unacceptable."

But U.S. officials said this week that the government had ordered its Chemical Weapons Corps to "be prepared," which Washington interpreted as a directive to begin bringing together the components needed to weaponize Syria's chemical stockpiles.

That process would involve mixing "precursor" chemicals for the deadly nerve gas sarin, which could be used in artillery shells, U.S. officials told NBC News, stressing that there was no evidence that process had as yet begun.

U.S. officials had long believed that the Syrian government was stockpiling the banned chemical weapons before it acknowledged possessing them this summer.

NBC News reported in July that U.S. intelligence agencies believed that in addition to sarin, Syria had access to tabun, a chemical nerve agent, as well as traditional chemical weapons like mustard gas and hydrogen cyanide.

Officials told NBC News at the time that the Syrian government was moving the outlawed weapons around the country, leaving foreign intelligence agencies unsure where they might end up.

Syria is one of only seven nations that hasn't ratified the 1992 Chemical Weapons Convention, the arms control agreement that outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of such weapons.

Bombshells filled with chemicals can be carried by Syrian Air Force fighter-bombers, in particular Sukhoi-22/20, MiG-23 and Sukhoi-24 aircraft. In addition, some reports indicate that unguided short-range Frog-7 artillery rockets may be capable of carrying chemical payloads.

In terms of longer-range delivery systems, Syria has a few dozen SS-21 ballistic missiles with a maximum range of 72 miles; 200 Scud-Bs, with a maximum range of 180 miles; and 60 to 120 Scud-Cs, with a maximum range of 300 miles, all of which are mobile and are capable of carrying chemical weapons, according U.S. intelligence officials.
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Really Wackbag? You've got nothing on this?

You do realize we go to war if even one of these are used, right?
 

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Really Wackbag? You've got nothing on this?

You do realize we go to war if even one of these are used, right?
Mods, dump this shit in my Syria Thread for archiving.

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Really Wackbag? You've got nothing on this?

You do realize we go to war if even one of these are used, right?

Nope not happening

No matter what the Syrians do nothing will be done about it, because they are to tight with the Russians, the largest Russian base outside of Russia is in Syria
 

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If they started lobbing nerve gas at civilians, even Russia would have to back us.
 

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If they started lobbing nerve gas at civilians, even Russia would have to back us.

Considering the amount of "friendly fire" that has killed US troops, could you imagine if the US accidentally killed some Russian troops
 

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The comments on the article I read are fucking hilarious. The libtards think it's a replay of Iraq, and claim the chemical weapons don't exist, while the conservatards are claiming these are the WMDs that Saddam smuggled out of the country before the war.

Meanwhile, even Iran is freaking out over this. If those loonies think you're going too far, perhaps it's time to reconsider your position.
 

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The comments on the article I read are fucking hilarious. The libtards think it's a replay of Iraq, and claim the chemical weapons don't exist, while the conservatards are claiming these are the WMDs that Saddam smuggled out of the country before the war.

Meanwhile, even Iran is freaking out over this. If those loonies think you're going too far, perhaps it's time to reconsider your position.
News flash, asshat - Iraq had chemical weapons, and much of their stockpile was taken across the northern border to Syria while we fucked around in Kuwait preparing to invade. There were several Green Beret teams in the northern border watching the trucks leave. Hell, there were even chemical weapons found in Iraq during the war. If you actually do something as simple as a google search, you'd know this.
 

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Fuck em
 

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But Israel killed some terrorists and is building some houses!!!
 

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Hooray for the Arab spring! Democracy and peace comes to the Middle East!

Remember those dipshits?
 

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Like I always say- "The only good Mohammedan is a dead one." So let's go, Assad. Get those bombs in the air.
 

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Nope not happening

No matter what the Syrians do nothing will be done about it, because they are to tight with the Russians, the largest Russian base outside of Russia is in Syria
The largest Russian base outside Russia is in Sevastopol, The Ukraine.

Russia doesn't have military bases in Syria. It has an old supply and maintenance facility, on a Syrian Naval Base in Tartus, with about 10 Russian soldiers on it. I'm pretty sure we'd be able to miss them just fine.
 

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Hooray for the Arab spring! Democracy and peace comes to the Middle East!

Remember those dipshits?
And here's what one of those dipshits is saying now. Check out this frightening glimpse into the delusional mind of a liberal dem...

http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-arab-spring-a-liberal-paradox-30568.html

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Opinion: The Arab spring - liberal paradox?

What should a liberal make of the Arab Spring as it becomes a bloody winter? The recent wave of violent protest at a mindlessly Islamophobic YouTube video is not an isolated incident. In Tunisia in June, hardline Salafists attacked an art gallery and a trade union office. Since Egypt’s revolution there have been regular attacks on Egypt’s Coptic Christian minority. An Islamist-dominated panel reviewing Egypt’s constitution is likely to water down women’s rights, making child marriage easier and withdrawing from international conventions protecting women and children(£). Husni Mubarak, Egypt’s former President, must be wailing “I told you so” from his prison cell. The new Arab world gives us is a classic liberal dilemma: the population has more liberty, including the liberty to limit freedom of expression and the rights of minorities. But the alternative appears to be the Syrian government’s widespread massacres of civilians.

So, is the Arab Spring ultimately a step backwards for liberalism?

The Arab spring reminds us that more democracy is not a straight line to a society that looks more like our own. Thanks to Saudi petrodollars,Salafists are the fastest growing group in the Muslim world, growing their forces in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen and Syria. With its puritanical focus on one interpretation of Islam and hostility to other faiths and lifestyles, the rise of Salafism is bad news for liberals everywhere. But the rise of democracy must still be cause for celebration.
Can't do it... his twisted liberal mind just won't allow him to grasp the concept that the only kind of freedom those savages want is the freedom to be savages. He gets close... but he just can't allow himself to accept the ugly truth.

He goes on to blame the failure of democracy, peace, and liberal ideology to take hold after the Arab spring on "Saudi petrodollars".... maaaaaaaaan! And at the end there he tries to hold on to the sliver of hope that what he's seeing is just the teething pains of a newborn democracy that will soon blossom in the Middle East.

Liberal Dems... such silly, deluded little creatures.
 

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Hooray for the Bush Doctrine! Democracy and peace comes to the Middle East!

Remember those dipshits?

:cool:
Yep... the Bush years proved that you can't shove democracy and peace down the savage's throats, and the Arab spring proved that the savages can't shove democracy and peace down their own throats.
 

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Yep... the Bush years proved that you can't shove democracy and peace down the savage's throats, and the Arab spring proved that the savages can't shove democracy and peace down their own throats.
Even Bush's military leaders and foreign policy gurus realized it was impossible to civilize savages.
There are four key tenets of the Bush doctrine contained in the National Security Strategy. First, and the most controversial, the strategy calls for the preemptive use of force against hostile nations and terrorist organizations attempting to develop WMD. Second, the National Security Strategy declares that the U.S. will maintain a military capability that is superior to any other nation. Third, the strategy expresses the desire of the Administration to work multilaterally in the spirit of cooperation with the international community, but “will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary”[ii] to protect U.S. national interests and security. Finally, the document states the goal of spreading democracy and human rights around the globe, particularly in the Muslim world.[iii]


AUTHOR:COL Michael D. Lingenfelter
TITLE: A U.S. National Security Strategy for the 21st Century
FORMAT:Strategy Research Project
DATE:19 March 2004
Fouad Ajami, writing for Foreign Affairs, clearly articulates the challenge the U.S. faces.
The war will not be easy for America in those lands. The setting will test it in ways it has not been tested before. There will be regimes asking for indulgence for their own terrible fights against Islamists and for logistical support. There will be rulers offering the bait of secrets that their security services have accumulated through means at odds with American norms. Conversely, friends and sympathizers of terror will pass themselves off as constitutionalists and men and women of the ‘civil society.’ They will find shelter behind pluralist norms while aiding and abetting the forces of terror. There will be chameleons good at posing as America’s friends but never turning up when needed. There will be one way of speaking to Americans, and another of letting one’s population know that words are merely a pretense.

Fouad Ajami, “The Sentry’s Solitude,” Foreign Affairs (November/December 2001): 16.
Nailed it.

And an ambassador and 3 of his buddies died for the cause.
 

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A realization the liberal dems will never allow themselves to make.
Nah, they just inherit it from the previous administration. :action-sm

Petraeus's and Mullen/McCrystal's COIN and AfPakHands programs have tried to "engage" the savages in a 'kindler, gentler" way. How many of our guys have been taken out by Afghanis in military uniforms the last couple of years?
 

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Just to be clear, Partycock: You're blaming Bush, right?
 

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