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“How can we attack another country unless it’s in self-defense and with no Security Council resolution?” an unnamed Obama administration official tells [The New York Times]. “If he drops sarin on his own people, what’s that got to do with us?”


Now, before you isolationists on this board jump to agree, you guys are not an ostensibly liberal-humanist administration that gets queasy at the thought of waterboarding or holding prisoners of war in a prison camp.
Would have been better if the Obama Regime just admitted that they learned from their mistakes in supporting the failed "Arab Spring" and therefore want no part in wasting American money or blood getting involved in Syria.
 
Would have been better if the Obama Regime just admitted that they learned from their mistakes in supporting the failed "Arab Spring" and therefore want no part in wasting American money or blood getting involved in Syria.
It would have definitely made Obama himself, and also the U.S. in general, look better. Not following through with clear threats just makes everyone look bad.
 

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Senator McCain met with rebels in Syria: spokesman
ReutersBy Andrea Shalal-Esa | Reuters – 3 hrs ago

By Andrea Shalal-Esa

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican Senator John McCain, a former presidential candidate and an outspoken advocate for U.S. military aid to the Syrian opposition, met with some of the rebels during a surprise visit to the war-torn country on Monday, his spokesman said.

Spokesman Brian Rogers confirmed McCain's meeting with the rebels, but declined to give any details about the visit, which may fuel pressure on Washington to intervene in a conflict that is believed to have claimed 80,000 lives.

The visit came as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov pledged to do their utmost to bring Syria's warring parties together, and new allegations surfaced about chemical weapons use in the civil war.

General Salem Idris, who leads the Supreme Military Council of the Free Syrian Army, told the Daily Beast in an interview that McCain's visit came at a critical time for the rebels, who have stepped up their calls for U.S. support, including heavy weapons, creation of a no-fly zone and air strikes.

"The visit of Senator McCain to Syria is very important and very useful especially at this time," the publication quoted Idris as saying. "We need American help to have change on the ground; we are now in a very critical situation."

McCain is the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit Syria since Robert Ford, the U.S. ambassador to Syria, crossed the border into northern Syria to meet with Syrian opposition leaders earlier this month.

It was not immediately clear if McCain, a fierce critic of the Obama administration's handling of the Syrian crisis, told government leaders about his plans to visit the country.

The White House had no immediate comment.

A senior State Department official, in Paris with Kerry, confirmed that McCain did "cross into Syrian territory" but referred all questions to McCain's office.

McCain entered Syria from the country's border with Turkey and stayed there for several hours before returning to Turkey, according to the Daily Beast report. It said McCain met with assembled leaders of Free Syrian Army units in both Turkey and Syria.

McCain, who made a similar visit to Libya early in that conflict, called for U.S. military aid to the forces opposing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in a Time magazine column earlier this month, arguing that the cost of inaction outweighed the cost of intervention.

"The U.S. does not have to act alone, put boots on the ground or destroy every Syrian air-defense system to make a difference," McCain wrote, arguing that training for the rebels, targeted air strikes and the stationing of Patriot missiles just across the border would help change the current dynamic.

McCain recalled his support for a U.S.-led effort under then President Bill Clinton to stop mass atrocities in Bosnia two decades ago and said the United States was uniquely positioned to help in Syria as well.

"Taking these steps would save innocent lives, give the moderate opposition a better chance to succeed and eventually provide security and responsible governance in Syria after Assad," he wrote in the Time magazine article. "However, the longer we wait, the worse the situation gets."

The Obama administration has increased humanitarian aid but has stopped short of providing lethal assistance to Syrian opposition forces. The president has resisted pressure to deepen U.S. involvement in Syria, wary of getting U.S. forces embroiled in another ground war just as American troops are preparing to withdraw from Afghanistan.

A U.S. Senate panel voted overwhelmingly last week to send weapons to forces fighting the Syrian government, but the Pentagon remains concerned about Assad's ability to shoot down enemy aircraft with surface-to-air missiles, particularly in a sustained campaign.

The Pentagon estimates than Syria has five times more air defenses than those that existed in Libya, where the United States helped establish a no-fly zone in 2011. They are also far more densely packed and sophisticated.

In Libya, there were no Western casualties. But the risks are higher in Syria and it's unclear whether the war-weary American public - exhausted by the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan - would tolerate U.S. casualties.

(Additional reporting by Arshad Mohammed in Paris and Jeff Mason in Washington; Editing by Eric Walsh and Philip Barbara)
http://news.yahoo.com/senator-mccain-met-rebels-syria-monday-spokesman-183001895.html
 

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"Taking these steps would save innocent lives, give the moderate opposition a better chance to succeed and eventually provide security and responsible governance in Syria after Assad," he wrote in the Time magazine article. "However, the longer we wait, the worse the situation gets."

Assad is more badass than McCain or Obama will ever be

 

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Exclusive: Obama Asks Pentagon for Syria No-Fly Zone Plan

by Josh Rogin
May 28, 2013 3:06 PM EDT

The White House has asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for a no-fly zone inside Syria that would be enforced by the U.S. and other countries such as France and Great Britain, two administration officials told The Daily Beast.

The request was made shortly before Secretary of State John Kerry toured the Middle East last week to try and finalize plans for an early June conference between the Syrian regime and rebel leaders in Geneva. The opposition, however, has yet to confirm its attendance and is demanding that the end of Syrian President Bashar al Assad’s rule be a precondition for negotiations, a condition Assad is unlikely to accept.

President Obama’s dual-track strategy of continuing to pursue a political solution to the two-year-old uprising in Syria while also preparing for more direct U.S. military involvement includes authorizing the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the first time to plan for multilateral military actions inside Syria, the two officials said. They added that no decisions on actually using force have yet been made.

“The White House is still in contemplation mode but the planning is moving forward and it’s more advanced than it’s ever been,” one administration official told The Daily Beast. “All this effort to pressure the regime is part of the overall effort to find a political solution, but what happens if Geneva fails? It’s only prudent to plan for other options.”

In a May 8 meeting of the National Security Council Principals Committee, the White House tasked several agencies with reporting on the pros and cons of two additional potential courses of action: arming vetted and moderate elements of the Syrian opposition, such as the Free Syrian Army, and formally recognizing the Syrian opposition council as the government of Syria, which would mean removing formal U.S. recognition of the Assad regime.

Sen. John McCain—who’s advocated for more aggressive U.S. support of the Syrian rebels and who traveled secretly into the country Monday to meet with the leaders of the Free Syrian Army—told The Daily Beast last week that despite the request for plans he doubts the White House will decide to implement a no-fly zone in Syria. The Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs are opposed to the idea, he said.

“One thing about the Pentagon, if they don’t want to do something, they will tell you all sorts of reasons why they can’t do it. It’s going to take significant pressure for them to come up with realistic plans,” McCain said. “They will invent ways for us not to do it until the president of the United States says we’ve got to do it.”

McCain said a realistic plan for a no-fly zone would include hundreds of planes, and would be most effective if it included destroying Syrian airplanes on runways, bombing those runways, and moving U.S. Patriot missile batteries in Turkey close to the border so they could protect airspace inside northern Syria.

In April, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey told the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense that the military was planning for a range of options in Syria but that he did not necessarily support using those options.

"It’s only prudent to plan for other options.”

"We're prepared with options, should military force be called upon and assuming it can be effectively used to secure our interests without making matters worse,” he said. “We must also be ready for options for an uncertain and dangerous future. That is a future we have not yet identified."

The administration probably won’t make any decisions about greater intervention in Syria until after the Geneva conference, McCain said.

“I think they’re moving towards the planning because the pressure is so great, but we’re in a full-court stall until this conference in Geneva,” he said.

U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford and White House Coordinator for the Middle East, North Africa, and the Gulf Region Phil Gordon traveled to Turkey from May 9 to 11 and met there with leaders of the Syrian opposition to encourage them to attend the Geneva conference. A White House official told The Daily Beast that the administration agrees that Assad should step down but does not agree that this should be a precondition to moving forward with the Geneva plan.

“In meetings with Syrian opposition leaders to discuss the implementation of the Geneva Communiqué we underscored our support for the Syrian Council (SC) as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people, reaffirmed our support for a political transition based on the framework of the Geneva Communiqué, and reiterated that Assad must go,” the official said.

Critics of the administration, including McCain, doubt that the new Geneva conference—coming a year after the earlier summit produced the Communiqué that called for an end to violence and democratic transition –will produce any progress toward a political solution. They also doubt that the Russians are committed to such a solution, considering that they continue to provide arms to the Assad regime. But Kerry has continued to endorse and push for the conference as a way to begin real negotiations between the regime and the opposition.

“This is a Kerry initiative,” an administration official said. “It’s also a test of the veracity of the Russian claims that they are committed to a peaceful outcome that reflects the will of the Syrian people.”

The Geneva conference will happen at about the same time as a huge set of military exercises conducted in Jordan called “Eager Lion,” which will include 15,000 troops from 18 countries, including the United States. The U.S. could leave military assets in Jordan following the exercise that might be useful for a no-fly zone, such as F-16 fighter aircraft.

Caitlin Hayden, the spokesperson for the White House’s National Security Staff, told The Daily Beast that the White House is considering a range of possible actions in Syria.

“As the president reiterated last week, all options are on the table with regard to Syria, though a scenario involving American boots on the ground is not likely,” she said. “We are prepared for all contingencies,” she said. “We will continue to urgently work to support the opposition. We are consulting with the Syrian Opposition Coalition and the Supreme Military Council about how we can continue to elevate our assistance; we are leading the world in providing humanitarian assistance for those affected by the violence; and we will continue to coordinate international efforts to end the bloodshed and hasten a political transition to a Syria where Bashar al-Assad has no role.”

Some Syria experts praised the White House’s decision to plan more options in Syria, but doubted that Obama would actually make the decision to intervene in the near term.

“No doubt, the United States and its like-minded allies and partners are fully capable, without the use of ground troops, of obviating the Assad regime’s degraded, fixed, and mobile air defenses and suppressing the regime’s use of airpower,” said Robert Zarate, policy director at the Foreign Policy Initiative, a Washington-based group that advocates for aggressive U.S. military action in support of human rights and democratic allies. “But the question is whether that’s something President Obama actually has the will and resolve to do.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...asks-pentagon-for-syria-no-fly-zone-plan.html
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Pentagon spokesman Dave Lapan sent the following statement to The Daily Beast after this story posted: “There is no new planning effort underway. The Joint Staff, along with the relevant combatant commanders, continue to conduct prudent planning for a range of possible military options.”

Along with no-fly zone plans, the White House is considering arming parts of the Syrian opposition and formally recognizing the Syrian opposition council, reports Josh Rogin.
Thanks Obama...
 
Nice going, McCain. Dope.

McCain Didn’t Realize He Was Posing With Rebel Kidnapper, Spokesman Says


WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain’s office is pushing back against reports that while visiting Syria this week he posed in a photo with rebels who kidnapped 11 Lebanese Shi’ite pilgrims.

The photo, released by McCain’s office, shows McCain with a group of rebels. Among them are two men identified in the Lebanese press as Mohamed Nour and Abu Ibrahim, two of the kidnappers of the group from Lebanon.

A McCain spokesman said that no one who met with McCain identified themselves by either of those names.

“In coordination with the Syrian Emergency Task Force, Senator John McCain traveled to and from Syria with General Salim Idris, the chief of staff of the Supreme Military Council of the Syrian opposition, to meet with two senior Free Syrian Army commanders,” said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers on Wednesday in an email to BuzzFeed. “None of the individuals the Senator planned to meet with was named Mohamad Nour or Abu Ibrahim. A number of other Syrian commanders joined the meeting, but none of them identified himself as Mohamad Nour or Abu Ibrahim.”

“As the Syrian Emergency Task Force has said: ‘Senator McCain did not go to Syria to meet with anyone named Mohamad Nour or Abu Ibrahim. Two members of our organization were present in the meeting, and no one called himself by either name.’”

Rogers said that if the man in the photo turns out to actually be Mohamed Nour, that is “regrettable.”

“A number of the Syrians who greeted Senator McCain upon his arrival in Syria asked to take pictures with him, and as always, the Senator complied,” Rogers said. “If the individual photographed with Senator McCain is in fact Mohamed Nour, that is regrettable. But it would be ludicrous to suggest that the Senator in any way condones the kidnapping of Lebanese Shia pilgrims or has any communication with those responsible. Senator McCain condemns such heinous actions in the strongest possible terms,” Rogers said.

Rogers also suggested that the story had been slanted by pro-Assad forces: “It’s not surprising that the pro-Hezbollah forces supporting the Assad regime who originally promoted this distortion would seek to smear anything and anyone supporting the Syrian opposition.”
You know, jihadists are such a minority that you can't even take a picture with 3 Syrians without one of them being a terrorist.
 

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Nice going, McCain. Dope.

You know, jihadists are such a minority that you can't even take a picture with 3 Syrians without one of them being a terrorist.
Don't worry. McCain knows them, he's met them. He knows who the good guys are. Such radical fighters make up only a small part of the rebel forces. :rolleyes:
 
Don't worry. McCain knows them, he's met them. He knows who the good guys are. Such radical fighters make up only a small part of the rebel forces. :rolleyes:

He had no business going there. The notion that every conflict has a good side and a bad side is retarded. I'd expect better from someone like him.
 

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Don't worry. McCain knows them, he's met them. He knows who the good guys are. Such radical fighters make up only a small part of the rebel forces. :rolleyes:

Reminds me of this

Is McCain gonna take the next step and start comparing these Islamic animals with American heroes?

What a fucking despicable, disgraceful move by a former presidential candidate (Kerry isn't any different)

 

MalcomOopsGotShot

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He has a point -

The US is currently giving military, tactical, strategic and financial support to the same terrorist groups American soldiers have been losing their lives fighting against for over a decade.

 

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Yes... you are. You're both shit. All of you muzzie shitbags are bad guys.
 

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Reminds me of this

Is McCain gonna take the next step and start comparing these Islamic animals with American heroes?
With the way America is referring to victims as heroes when they've done absolutely nothing heroic, I don't know if the term hero matters today. Which is sad because it diminishes the meaning; the firefighters who went up those towers tying to save lives are heroes, some spectator wounded in the Boston Marathon explosions is not a hero, they're a victim.
 
He has a point -

The US is currently giving military, tactical, strategic and financial support to the same terrorist groups American soldiers have been losing their lives fighting against for over a decade.


He does not have a point. His enemies being good or bad has no bearing on whether he is good or bad. A bad person can have another bad person as his enemy. Not to mention that it has not killed millions.
 

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Report: Syrian Forces Kill American, Brit
(CNN) - Syrian state-run television reported Thursday that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad killed three Westerners, including an American woman and a British citizen, who they claim were fighting with the rebels and were found with weapons and maps of government military facilities.

Syrian TV identified the woman, releasing what it claimed were images of her Michigan driver's license and U.S. passport. It also released what is said was the name and passport of a British citizen. It did not identify a third person who it claimed was a Westerner.

The report said the three were ambushed in their car in the flashpoint city of Idlib in northwestern Syria, where government forces have been battling rebels for control.

TV footage showed a bullet-riddled car and three bodies laid out. It also showed weapons, a computer and a flag belonging to the militant al-Nusra Front. The U.S. State Department has said the al-Nusra Front, a Syrian opposition group, is linked to al Qaeda in Iraq, which has long operated in Iraq and neighboring Syria.

The United States is aware of the claim that an American woman was killed and is working through the Czech Republic mission in Syria to obtain more information, a State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told CNN.

Citing privacy concerns, "we are unable to comment further," the official said.
Umm, ok. Not too surprised, Michigan is the american mecca for muslims.
 
Report: Syrian Forces Kill American, Brit

Umm, ok. Not too surprised, Michigan is the american mecca for muslims.

Dearborn in particular. Don't they call it Dearbornistan in Michigan or something like that?
 

lajikal

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Dearborn in particular. Don't they call it Dearbornistan in Michigan or something like that?
Probably, doesn't roll off the tongue like hashistan though. Mich. is also home to persecuted middle eastern christians. Surprised those muslims haven't attacked other (non-muslim) middle eastern and otherwise people there.
 

MalcomOopsGotShot

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Probably, doesn't roll off the tongue like hashistan though. Mich. is also home to persecuted middle eastern christians. Surprised those muslims haven't attacked other (non-muslim) middle eastern and otherwise people there.

Persecuted Middle Eastern Christians would never willing choose to live amongst muslims.

I've known a few Egyptian Copts in my life, and they were treated lower than shit and hated more than Jews by the Muslims back in their native Egypt.
 

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So John McCain wants to help those same Al Qeada terrorists in Syria that we are fighting against in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Interesting, how we can be risking our soldiers lives to fight against the terrorists in one country, yet provide military / financial assistance (courtesy of American tax dollars) to those terrorists one country over

I'm one of the people who thinks we shouldn't intervene in Syria. But that's because the rebels aren't better than the government.

The notion that Syria isn't our business is sooooo retarded. Ron Paul doesn't really understand how the world works in the 21st century, he's just throwing out catch phrases he's learned over the years. Some of them he happens to get right, others not so much.

But Syria, which is in the center of the Muslim world, is important to any country which wishes to participate in the global economy. And any country that doesn't want to participate in the global economy is fucked, because economic openness is the precondition of prosperity.
 

MalcomOopsGotShot

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The notion that Syria isn't our business is sooooo retarded. Ron Paul doesn't really understand how the world works in the 21st century, he's just throwing out catch phrases he's learned over the years. Some of them he happens to get right, others not so much.

But Syria, which is in the center of the Muslim world, is important to any country which wishes to participate in the global economy. And any country that doesn't want to participate in the global economy is fucked, because economic openness is the precondition of prosperity.

Ron Paul knows a lot more about how the world works than you think.

I'm assuming you know more about the history of American foreign policy in the Middle East than him?
And that's what qualifies you to label his perspective "sooooo retarded"

Tell me more about how you're more informed than the most knowledgeable presidential candidate of this past election.
 
Ron Paul knows a lot more about how the world works than you think.

I'm assuming you know more about the history of American foreign policy in the Middle East than him?
And that's what qualifies you to label his perspective "sooooo retarded"

Tell me more about how you're more informed than the most knowledgeable presidential candidate of this past election.

Your idol is a clown who cybersquats his own disciples, and is the moral successor to the isolationists who sat around and smoked cigars as people were being gassed in Auschwitz, so how about you take that shit to the Kirk threads.

And I'll put my knowledge of the Middle East up against Ron Paul's any day of the fucking week.
 

MalcomOopsGotShot

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Your idol is a clown who cybersquats his own disciples, and is the moral successor to the isolationists who sat around and smoked cigars as people were being gassed in Auschwitz, so how about you take that shit to the Kirk threads.

And I'll put my knowledge of the Middle East up against Ron Paul's any day of the fucking week.

LOL, me defending his perspective automatically makes him "my idol"
 
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