Tasers cause few injuries, study says

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The use of Taser stun weapons by U.S. police forces inflicts very few serious injuries, researchers said on Monday, but a leading human rights group was unswayed, pressing its call for a moratorium on them.

The weapons, which are sometimes called stun guns and deliver an electric shock that incapacitates a person, are widely used by U.S. law enforcement. Those in this study were made Taser International Inc of Scottsdale, Arizona.

Advocates argue these weapons allow police to subdue criminal suspects without resorting to more dangerous types of force, reducing injuries to officers and suspects. Critics say they are used too routinely and often against unarmed people who pose no threat, causing needless injuries and deaths.

Researchers tracked police Taser use on 962 people in six jurisdictions around the country from July 2005 to June of this year. The study was funded by the U.S. Justice Department.

Three of these people sustained moderate or severe nonfatal injuries requiring hospital admission, the study found. (3 out of 962 - compare that to an arm bar or baton)

Two of them had head injuries suffered when they fell to the ground after being stunned. One had a type of muscle breakdown condition also seen in people whose body temperature gets too high, the researchers said.

Of the rest, 216 people sustained mild injuries like abrasions, contusions and minor cuts requiring outpatient medical treatment, and 743 suffered no injury, the study found.

Two who were shocked with the weapon died, but the researchers said investigations and autopsies determined the deaths to have been unrelated to the Taser.

"The data that we've got supports the safety of these devices, in that 99.7 percent of the people on the receiving end in the real world had either no injury or mild injury," Dr. William Bozeman, an emergency medicine specialist at Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina who led the study, said in a telephone interview.

277 DEATHS

Jared Feuer, who heads the U.S. southern regional office of Amnesty International, said the group has documented that 277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser since June 2001.

"We do believe that there is a risk to the public safety, and we still call for there to be a moratorium on the use of Tasers" by police, Feuer said in an telephone interview.

"Our concern is that Tasers interfere with a basic equation, which is that force must always be proportional to the threat," Feuer said, noting that about 80 percent of the people on whom a Taser is used by U.S. police are unarmed.

"They are being used in a situation where a firearm or even a baton would never be justified," Feuer added.


Bozeman said this was the first study to document the frequency and severity of injuries caused by the devices in real-life conditions, with doctors in the law enforcement agencies assessing each case.

TASER International spokesman Steve Tuttle said of the study, "It confirms what we've been telling the public since day one -- that the Taser technology is a safer alterative for use of force for law enforcement."

"There is nothing risk-free during a law enforcement encounter with use of force," Tuttle added, saying the study showed the devices are a "safer alternative" to injuries that might result from a nightstick or police dog bite.

The findings were being presented at the American College of Emergency Physicians' Research Forum in Seattle.
 

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Memo to all those anti-taser people:

We could let the cops go back to shooting and clubbing people. Will that make you happy?
 

WhiskeyWhispers

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See now, if you just shut your mouth and keep your hands to yourself, you don't even have to worry about them one way or the other.

And what do these groups wish police to do? Use stern words to get people who are up to no good comply? Maybe issue lollipops and jellybeans to calm people?
 

Xyn

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Memo to all those anti-taser people:

We could let the cops go back to shooting and clubbing people. Will that make you happy?
The problem is that they are arguing that the taser is being used in places that guns and night sticks wouldn't be used.

I think they just want taser use toned down. I don't agree with them entirely, but it's not like they don't have a valid point.

The real counterpoint would be to ask how much danger an officer should have to put himself into when he could avoid much of it with a taser, which is why I still tend to favor greater use of the weapon.
 
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I don't think cops should use Tasers either. They don't need to be used most of the time when they are pulled out.

They fall back to use them when someone doesn't listen to them even when they aren't a threat to anyone. And in those instances they don't need to be used. Kind of like the kid at the college that was tased. There were six fucking cops there to move him out, they didn't need a taser.

If you have a peaceful protest and people won't move then they don't need to be shot with electrofied barbs.

There are plenty of people who WEREN'T dangerous people that are now dead because they were tased and died from cardiac arrest and head injuries due to having 50,000 VOLTS of electricity shot through their body.

The cops are just getting too lazy to put cuffs on people and placing them in their cars. They might as well just walk up to people and hand them cuffs in order to cuff themselves or they will be tased.

And the whole "Should they use batons or guns" thing is ridiculous. Cops aren't supposed to go around shooting people because they don't listen or hit them with a baton.

If you think Tasers are ok then just go down to your local store that sells fishing equipment. Then buy some Eagle Claw fishing hooks and straighten out the shaft. Pick up two of them and jam them into your body and then pull them out. That's what tasers are. They are steel barbs that cling into the skin until ripped out. They don't cut them out, they just rip them out. You will probably like the feeling.
 

TheDrip

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While I can see your point Sam Adams...I just don't tend to have much sympathy for people who are being taken into custody, period. Comply and you have no problem 99.9% of the time (of course there's always a bad apple, but that's just human nature).

I have yet to see a video showing a person quietly and calmly doing everything the cops ask him to do with zero back-talk, then getting tased.

Usually the ones getting tased are obnixious, not going quietly or without a fight. In a situation like that I say zap them. Sure it's easier for the cops than actually having to wrestle the suspect to the ground with the help of 2 or 3 other officers just to cuff the person, but isn't that the point. God forbid they get somebody to the ground to cuff him and the guy dislocates his shoulder, watch the lawsuit attempt and the ensuing paperwork fly.

As for the college kid, it's a no-win situation for those cops. If they would have picked him up and physically removed him, people would scream that they had no right to do it. When they tased him, people screamed they had no right to do it. If they don't swoop on him right away and get him out, people would have complained that they were inept at keeping order.

Besides, the guy concocted his whole little stunt just to get youtubed. The taser was karma for him being a jackoff during what was otherwise civilized discourse at a public event.
 

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There are plenty of people who WEREN'T dangerous people that are now dead because they were tased and died from cardiac arrest and head injuries due to having 50,000 VOLTS of electricity shot through their body.
The term "weren't dangerous" can be debated, however the answer to this question is a bit more black & white: How many people have died as a DIRECT result of being tazed by a police officer? Inquiring minds want to know. Edit: And what percentage of tazing receipients is that?
 

ern

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Actually, most LEO are currently being taught to use the taser. Many subjects are injured while attempting to restrain/handcuff. Tasers in many cases can actually lower the likelihood of injury, and with many suit crazed citizens, lowering liability for an organization is at a premium.

There is a subject's resistance level, and the officer's reaction and use of force. Most use of force models I have seen put tasers relatively low on the use of force continuum. Most start off with officer presence, then verbal direction, when verbal direction fails, some type of force must follow. Prior to the more recent technological innovations such as oleoresin capsicum, pepperball, and tasers/ebids, there was the trusty ole nighstick/blackjack/baton. Many agencies would place pressure point control, OC, and taser/ebid at equal levels of force. OC (pepper spray) isn't effective on approx 14% of the population (or higher depending on what research you read). Additionally, taser/ebids have a higher effectiveness level.

As you may know, the swarm/storm approach with multiple officers taking a subject down for restraining/cuffing also has other hidden problems. One big one is positional asphyxiation, especially w/ subjects who may be under the influence of drugs and or alcohol.

Anyway, the same things were said about pepper spray when it came out and began to be widely used. That research has been thoroughly done.
 

Xyn

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Pepper spray isn't even in the same ball park. Besides, cops aren't jumping at every chance to spray people now.

I think Ant's right. It's the new toy right now, let them have their fun. But the overuse should be toned back sometime in the future.

There will always be plenty of videos of people who really deserved it :D

I think those ones are always more satisfying.
 

Capt.Caveman

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With all the brutality complaints they have to do something. Here's an idea don't resist arrest!!!!!!!! if you get arrested wait til you can lawyer up. fighting with the cop is only gonna get u in more trouble
 

BIV

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Tazers are a shortcut for cops. They are getting too lazy.
Bullshit, this is how a conversation with a cop should go:

*Cop tells suspect to do something
*Suspect doesn't comply
*Cop says comply or I'll taze you
*Suspect still doesn't comply and tries to "explain" or give excuses
*Cop says I don't care, this is your last chance, comply or you will be tazed
*Suspect doesn't comply
*ZAPPO!!!!

Please note Age, sex, size, race and armed or unarmed are all irrelevant.

Do what you are fucking told and you won't get tazed.
 

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Hannah Rogers-Grippi, 6-month-old fetus, Chula Vista, Calif., Dec. 15, 2001
Police shocked a 36-year-old pregnant woman in the back for refusing to
follow orders. At the hospital, fetal heart sounds were heard during the
examination. Two days later, an exam revealed that the fetus had died.
Autopsy report lists cause of death as intrauterine fetal demise. Maternal
methamphetamine use was a contributing factor. The coroner said It was
difficult to make a causative link between the Taser event and the
intrauterine fetal death.
 

Zona992006

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Smith v. Nye County Police Department

65 Year old man was tasered 4 times by deputy and suffers immediate heart damage, requiring emergency intervention. Both Deputy and County admits, in legal pleading that officer used excessive and unconstitutional force

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Alaska Man Settles for $575,000 after Excessive Force with Taser
The state of Alaska has reached a $575,000 settlement with Kevin Patrick after three years of appealing a jury verdict of $1 million awarded in 2004 for a police brutality lawsuit. Patrick claimed that Alaska State Trooper Eric Spitzer used excessive force while arresting Patrick, shocking him with a Taser repeatedly while handcuffed. Patrick was accused of assaulting a police officer with a shovel, escaping from a cell while on a bathroom break and driving drunk on a snowmobile. Police considered Patrick dangerous and possibly suicidal before his arrest. This is not the first time that Spitzer has been accused of using excessive force during an arrest: this is the fourth time Spitzer has been named in a police brutality lawsuit, with three resulting in a state settlement.
 

THE FEZ MAN

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i cant wait till our local boys in blue get there tazers, i want to get hit with one, i let my buddy shoot me in the ass with a bean bag, i had trouble sitting for a few days
 

WhiskeyWhispers

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Hannah Rogers-Grippi, 6-month-old fetus, Chula Vista, Calif., Dec. 15, 2001
Police shocked a 36-year-old pregnant woman in the back for refusing to
follow orders. At the hospital, fetal heart sounds were heard during the
examination. Two days later, an exam revealed that the fetus had died.
Autopsy report lists cause of death as intrauterine fetal demise. Maternal
methamphetamine use was a contributing factor. The coroner said It was
difficult to make a causative link between the Taser event and the
intrauterine fetal death.
Nice way to get your baby killed dipshit. Now she has to go through life realizing her arrogance got her baby killed. One less asshole in this world.

Smith v. Nye County Police Department

65 Year old man was tasered 4 times by deputy and suffers immediate heart damage, requiring emergency intervention. Both Deputy and County admits, in legal pleading that officer used excessive and unconstitutional force

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Alaska Man Settles for $575,000 after Excessive Force with Taser
The state of Alaska has reached a $575,000 settlement with Kevin Patrick after three years of appealing a jury verdict of $1 million awarded in 2004 for a police brutality lawsuit. Patrick claimed that Alaska State Trooper Eric Spitzer used excessive force while arresting Patrick, shocking him with a Taser repeatedly while handcuffed. Patrick was accused of assaulting a police officer with a shovel, escaping from a cell while on a bathroom break and driving drunk on a snowmobile. Police considered Patrick dangerous and possibly suicidal before his arrest. This is not the first time that Spitzer has been accused of using excessive force during an arrest: this is the fourth time Spitzer has been named in a police brutality lawsuit, with three resulting in a state settlement.
Old farts should know better, they've been around way too long for excuses.

If I have this right, a dangerous and possibly suicidal guy assaults a cop with a shovel (which could absolutely kill someone), escapes from the police station drunk on a snowmobile, and this is what you post as innocents being harmed and/or killed by tazers?

As for the cop who has multiple police brutality lawsuits against him, I would wager this is the one that was justified.

All 3 could have easily been avoided. It's one thing if your just standing on a corner and the cops roll up and taze you for no reason (which just doesn't happen), it's another if your being a fucking defiant little puke. If you want to live in a land with no laws, go traipse through the jungles of South America or get yourself a really good parka and trek to the North Pole, because even the animals in the Middle East have them.
 

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All 3 could have easily been avoided. It's one thing if your just standing on a corner and the cops roll up and taze you for no reason (which just doesn't happen), it's another if your being a fucking defiant little puke. If you want to live in a land with no laws, go traipse through the jungles of South America or get yourself a really good parka and trek to the North Pole, because even the animals in the Middle East have them.

This one wasn't "for no reason" but these idiots should be put in jail for assult.

Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Shocked With Taser 10 Times
http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20070919/lo_wkmg/14147512


Police in Lincoln Park had to use a Taser gun -- twice -- to subdue a kicking and screaming 14-year-old boy who wouldn't stop playing his Nintendo Game Boy during class.

http://forums.invisionpower.com/lofiversion/index.php/t155829.html

Ohio cop repeatedly tasers woman in handcuffs!

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=13749

Death by Taser: Lazy Cops and a Lazy Reporter
http://blogs.zmag.org/ee_links/death_by_taser_lazy_cops_and_a_lazy_reporter

An Elon officer used a stun gun in the 2006 arrest of an Alamance County man on traffic charges
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/725490-p2.html

and so on and so on...
 

gleet

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More tasers = mores funny videos = more gooder
 

THE FEZ MAN

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ummmm, you know ive found that if you do what your told, you have less of a chance of getting hit with 50,000 volts, it works well with my bird dogs
 

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one time a black guy i worked with was crying how he was taking a white girl home to an upscale neighborhood. and the police "harrassed" him solely because he was black.

I needed to ask him afew questions to wise him up to the situation.

First I asked.... Do you have tinted windows?

yes.

Were you playing music loud & whattime of the evening was it?

1 AM and yeah my speakers were up.

Do you have illegal colored lights on the front of your car?

yes blue.

My answer...... They would harrass me too. if I was breaking three laws driving down the road in that town.

Zona... you need to understand profiling.....Do you realize if I own a car... and it gets a dent... that i either fix it imediatly or sell it?
I know a cop will pull over a car with a dent.
fancy wheels.
anything sold at the Pep Boys accesory center...

If you shout I,m a ******.... they will come. White or black.


Ask yourself this... When is the last time you saw a black man get pulled over for no reason driving a 2000 and up car with no alterations? and a child safety seat in the back?

The black community just doesn't care to understand in life there are right and wrong ways to fit in ... The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Black people squeak alot.


75% of the cultured entire attitudes is " YO LOOK AT ME!" I,m loud n proud to not fit into your white society of rules.


we need to follow the rules too.
 

Glenn Dandy

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Bullshit, this is how a conversation with a cop should go:

*Cop tells suspect to do something
*Suspect doesn't comply
*Cop says comply or I'll taze you
*Suspect still doesn't comply and tries to "explain" or give excuses
*Cop says I don't care, this is your last chance, comply or you will be tazed
*Suspect doesn't comply
*ZAPPO!!!!

Please note Age, sex, size, race and armed or unarmed are all irrelevant.

Do what you are fucking told and you won't get tazed.
Do what I,m told?

No..

What if they have no reason to be harrassing me? Ive been roughed up and treated like a murderer for absolutly nothing... these twats shouldnt have tazers.

If you touch a cop you are fucked 4 years in a state prison... So in my oppinion these guys shouldnt be allowed to do shit to you thatis unreasonable... every person has a " freakout threshold" how much abuse am I suppose to takefrom a mouthy 5'5" 18 year oldcop before my natural instincs kick in and I hit him?


then I go to jail.

If someone is a freak,,, god bless cops... but in my life I have seen way to many people doing nothing wrong, and zero threat... get brutalized by some asshole with a superiority complex.
 

Xyn

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They should still have tasers, tbey should just have a little more accountability for improper use.

I can't see any good reason to tase a woman a second time becuase she isn't doing what you told her to do quickly enough. I imagine she could be having some difficulty with motor function.

Okay, maybe I can think of one good reason, but making a funny video isn't exactly legal justification. :action-sm