Discussion in 'Sports' started by GoCamels, Nov 23, 2007.
Op's gonna be pissed...
While it is an interesting thought, I think the odds of the Isles moving to Brooklyn is very low. The town of Hempstead will need to vote to approve Wang's plans for the new Coliseum and all of the other perks that go along with it (practice rinks, outdoor shopping with canals, residential living, health complex, minor league baseball team, etc). It's the creation of around 16,000 jobs...and Wang's group will put money towards upgrading the roads around the Nassau Hub. Sounds like a good deal, and it will only help the county of Nassau in the long term. But, this franchise has been trying to develop that land for years and it just gets caught up in typical Nassau politics. In fact, I read that Nassau was supposed to develop the land surrounding the Coliseum back in 1972 when it was built. Plans never materialized, and in fact, they never even finished the Coliseum. The Isles first season was in an unfinished venue...missing seats, paint, and the bathrooms weren't finished. Nassau has never acted like they wanted this franchise, and I won't be shocked if they let it go.
If Wang's plans fall through, there's a big question mark as to what happens, but I think Brooklyn is at the bottom of the list. Wang has poured hundreds of millions into this franchise and his plan is to get "his" deal...his arena and his large plot of land to build on...on the Island which he built his billion dollar company on. Moving the team to Brooklyn would require dealing with Bruce Ratner, whom Wang had lost his bid for the Nets to. I also don't think Wang would get the deal he wants from Ratner, who would see a good cut of the Islander's franchise. I truly think Wang would sell the franchise before he turns to Brooklyn. And there are much more hungrier suitors than Ratner who have been waiting for NHL franchises...most notably Jim Balsillie who is hellbent on getting a team in Hamilton, Ont and a group ready to take a team to Kansas City. I don't know Wang's relationship with Ratner, so I guess anything is possible, but it certainly doesn't fit in with the plans that Wang has had for the franchise, and why he's held onto this franchise which has lost about $20 million a season. So I guess we'll find out more wwhen Hempstead votes.
As for the name if the franchise ever did move to Brooklyn...geographically, Brooklyn is part of the Island and the "Islanders" name would most likely remain, especially if Wang holds onto this team. The Islanders have a very rich history with Long Island and changing the name abandons that tradition. Brooklyn is even on the Islanders logo, so they wouldn't even change logos. Changing the name to Americans is interesting and would be possible if some other owner buys the team. It would piss off alot of Islanders fans, but I thnk they'd eventually get over it.
Overall, it's an interesting thought and a very outside possibility of happening. But if Nassau doesn't give Wang the deal he wants, it may be the only way of keeping that franchise in the NY market.
I think Op would be happy not to go out to (from what I've heard) that dump.
Brooklyn is way closer to his new digs.
It'll obviously be a better arena. Hell, there's public rinks in jersey better than there the Isles play now. It'd be interesting. If the arena is easy to get to then I doubt they lose anyone.
I'm hyped on the Nets moving, I think they'll keep the NJ fan base and gain people who are finally fed up with Dolan ruining their Knicks.
The Isles current lease is what's dragging this team down. Former owner John Pickett signed a lease back in the 80's where the team only gets revenue from the limited number of luxury boxes and a tiny portion of ticket sales/concessions. The county and SMG gets the rest. It was a really dumb deal and it was a huge mathematical error by Pickett. Luckily, the Isles later signed a 35 year cable TV contract that has curbed some of the losses. If the Isles move outside the NY market, that cable deal is over. If Wang can't move to Nassau or Suffolk, Brooklyn would make more sense in order to cash in on the $20 mil-$25 mil a season the Isles get from Cablevision.
But it still comes down to Wang. If he sold the franchise, he would probably only get what he paid for it (around $190 million). He would absolutely (finally) make a profit in Brooklyn, but it just wouldn't be the same as having his arena, his land, and his team being the focal point there.
Begbie that deal was horrible even by 1982 standards when it was actually signed. But loophole in the lease is that Nassau County can get rid of SMG an void the lease for the Islanders at the Nassau Coliseum. The problem is that Nassau County doesn't have another company in line to manage the arena. I dont know if Charles can handle it. The problem is in Nassau also is that it must go through the Board of Supervisors for any changes to the Coliseum. Most people on the board would want to keep SMG thats why the lease was never voided. This idea of voiding the lease was when Steve Gluckstern and Howard Milstein had the team. They should try and have it voided anyhow.
I am a believer that it is easier for fan to get to Brooklyn by mass transit than the Nassau Coliseum. This whole lighthouse thing is just too big of a project for that area. Traffic is already bad there when there is no game during the week. It would be millions times worse with that developed.
Charles should get into bed with Bruce Ratner either buidling the arena in brooklyn or nassau.
The % of Isle fans who go to the games by mass transit is very very low.The % of Isle fans that are from Suffolk is much much higher. No one from Brooklyn will go to Islander games. It would be a disaster. The problem with the Wang deal, is not the County of Nassau, it is the Town of Hempstead. They say the traffic would fuck people who live in Uniondale. Uh, no one cuts through the back roads of Uniondale. The only traffic problem would be on the Meadowbrook. Almost everyone working and living in the new Hub would be using the parkway.
If the team does stay somewhere in the New York - New England area then I'd love to have them renamed "The Whalers" just because I miss the old Hartford team (Yes... I know that they are the Hurricanes now)
However, I think it would be much more likely that they end up in another area entirely.
Las Vegas has been dying for a nig sports team, as have a few other places.... I think Kansas City is where the Penguins almost went.
regardless.. the team sucks..
Can players handle the new uniforms? And how does wearing a pinky ring affect stick handling?
Hey Carmine...did ya see that fucking goon with the stick?
Put some skates on dis guy ova here!!!
As long as Jay Z doesn't buy the team I think we're safe.
I'm not big on hockey but I'd be a Brooklyn Islanders fan....I was born there...