The BROOKLYN Islanders????

GoCamels

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Op's gonna be pissed...

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=308296

A team moves to ... Brooklyn?
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Posted: November 21, 2007
For the first time in a long time, I got an early start on Thanksgiving this year. So instead of spending my Monday night at home in northern Virginia watching the Capitals lose (again) to the Florida Panthers, I was back on Long Island with my family watching another clash between the Rangers and Islanders.

During the intermission between the second and third periods on the MSG Network, Al Trautwig fed Stan Fischler an email question from a viewer: What would happen to the Islanders if management couldn't convince local officials to build a new venue on Long Island in Nassau County?

Fischler's answer was pretty interesting. While he was pretty sure something would be worked out on Long Island despite reservations expressed by local politicos, he wouldn't rule out the possibility that the Islanders would move to Brooklyn -- presumably to share an arena with the NBA's New Jersey Nets, a team that has been doing its level best to escape from northern New Jersey for some time.

Now, if I had heard someone utter the possibility of the Islanders moving to Brooklyn when I was a teenager, I would have reacted with barely controlled rage. Because while Brooklyn, like the New York City borough of Queens, is geographically part of Long Island, it's about 1,000 miles away culturally from the bedroom communities where most of the team's fans live.

On another level, the possible move of the Islanders to Brooklyn can't help but be suffused with irony. After all, many of the team's fans are the children and grandchildren of New Yorkers who left Brooklyn after World War II in search of a better life in the suburbs. While many of those folks have fond memories of growing up there, I'm sure the thought of the Islanders moving back would be met with anger and stunned disbelief.

So if it ever came to that, one thing ought to be clear: Once the moving vans crossed over that border into New York City on their way to Brooklyn, the team that was the Islanders would cease to exist.

Which leads to another question: Once the team started up in Brooklyn, what the heck would you call them?

Luckily, the NHL is guardian to a rich history. To this day, NHL fans still speak fondly of the days when divisions and conferences were named for the game's great architects of the game like Lester Patrick and Conn Smythe. And in the late 1980s, when an effort was started to bring NHL hockey back to Canada's capital of Ottawa, there was little doubt that the name Senators -- the team that won 10 Stanley Cups in the early years of the NHL -- would be resurrected.

So if the Islanders ever do leave suburbia and head to Brooklyn, I'd like to propose that they leave the name Islanders behind forever, and adopt the name of the original antagonists of the New York Rangers -- the New York Americans.

What a lot of hockey fans may not be aware of is despite the fact that the New York Rangers are an "Original Six" franchise, they weren't the first NHL team to call New York home. In fact, they weren't even the first NHL team to call Madison Square Garden home.

That honor belongs to the long-forgotten Americans, who played in Madison Square Garden between 1925 and 1942. Owned by New York City's most famous bootlegger, Bill Dwyer, the Americans played their first game in Madison Square Garden on Dec. 15, 1925, against the Montreal Canadiens. Dwyer was able to gain control of the team after the players for its previous incarnation, the Hamilton Tigers, struck for higher pay, resulting in their suspension from the league.

The Americans were an immediate hit at the box office, drawing 17,000 fans for that first game against the Canadiens. Those numbers didn't go unnoticed by Madison Square Garden's owners, who immediately made arrangements to purchase their own team, which they named the Rangers. This happened despite the fact that Garden owner Tex Rickard had promised the Americans that he wouldn't seek a hockey team of his own.

But while the Rangers went on to win the Stanley Cup in 1928 in their second season, the Americans weren't nearly as lucky. Despite the fact that they enjoyed some playoff success, the team became better known for being under constant financial stress. Eventually, Dwyer was forced out by the league and day-to-day control of the team was passed to a former player, Red Dutton.

Looking to do anything to save the failing franchise, Dutton renamed the team the Brooklyn Americans before the 1941-42 season, in the hopes he could build a rink in the borough and develop a new fan base away from the Rangers in Manhattan. In any case, a rink deal never materialized, and the team was forced to play its last season in the old Garden with the Brooklyn name.

At season's end, the team was forced to suspend operations because the start of World War II, but when Dutton sought to revive the team in 1946, he was stiff-armed by the league. Believing that the Rangers were behind the decision, Dutton supposedly declared that the team would never win another Stanley Cup until after he had died. True or not, the Rangers didn't win another Cup until 1994, seven years after Dutton died.

So here we are now, nearly 70 years after Dutton's dream of bringing hockey to Brooklyn, and there's actually an outside chance of it happening. And if Charles Wang ever does the unthinkable, and move the Islanders out of Long Island, he's got a new name ready to go on Day 1. Better yet, if you're a hockey fan with a sense of karmic justice, wouldn't it be great if the Rangers were forced to take the Subway to Brooklyn to play a team the Rangers' original owners thought had killed forever nearly seven decades ago?

Then again, I could just be calling somebody's bluff.

Eric McErlain runs offwing.com, included in Forbes' Best of the Web in 2003. He is a regular contributor to Sporting News.
 

Begbie

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While it is an interesting thought, I think the odds of the Isles moving to Brooklyn is very low. The town of Hempstead will need to vote to approve Wang's plans for the new Coliseum and all of the other perks that go along with it (practice rinks, outdoor shopping with canals, residential living, health complex, minor league baseball team, etc). It's the creation of around 16,000 jobs...and Wang's group will put money towards upgrading the roads around the Nassau Hub. Sounds like a good deal, and it will only help the county of Nassau in the long term. But, this franchise has been trying to develop that land for years and it just gets caught up in typical Nassau politics. In fact, I read that Nassau was supposed to develop the land surrounding the Coliseum back in 1972 when it was built. Plans never materialized, and in fact, they never even finished the Coliseum. The Isles first season was in an unfinished venue...missing seats, paint, and the bathrooms weren't finished. Nassau has never acted like they wanted this franchise, and I won't be shocked if they let it go.

If Wang's plans fall through, there's a big question mark as to what happens, but I think Brooklyn is at the bottom of the list. Wang has poured hundreds of millions into this franchise and his plan is to get "his" deal...his arena and his large plot of land to build on...on the Island which he built his billion dollar company on. Moving the team to Brooklyn would require dealing with Bruce Ratner, whom Wang had lost his bid for the Nets to. I also don't think Wang would get the deal he wants from Ratner, who would see a good cut of the Islander's franchise. I truly think Wang would sell the franchise before he turns to Brooklyn. And there are much more hungrier suitors than Ratner who have been waiting for NHL franchises...most notably Jim Balsillie who is hellbent on getting a team in Hamilton, Ont and a group ready to take a team to Kansas City. I don't know Wang's relationship with Ratner, so I guess anything is possible, but it certainly doesn't fit in with the plans that Wang has had for the franchise, and why he's held onto this franchise which has lost about $20 million a season. So I guess we'll find out more wwhen Hempstead votes.

As for the name if the franchise ever did move to Brooklyn...geographically, Brooklyn is part of the Island and the "Islanders" name would most likely remain, especially if Wang holds onto this team. The Islanders have a very rich history with Long Island and changing the name abandons that tradition. Brooklyn is even on the Islanders logo, so they wouldn't even change logos. Changing the name to Americans is interesting and would be possible if some other owner buys the team. It would piss off alot of Islanders fans, but I thnk they'd eventually get over it.

Overall, it's an interesting thought and a very outside possibility of happening. But if Nassau doesn't give Wang the deal he wants, it may be the only way of keeping that franchise in the NY market.
 

mikeybot

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I think Op would be happy not to go out to (from what I've heard) that dump.
Brooklyn is way closer to his new digs.
 

mik3

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It'll obviously be a better arena. Hell, there's public rinks in jersey better than there the Isles play now. It'd be interesting. If the arena is easy to get to then I doubt they lose anyone.

I'm hyped on the Nets moving, I think they'll keep the NJ fan base and gain people who are finally fed up with Dolan ruining their Knicks.
 

Begbie

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The Isles current lease is what's dragging this team down. Former owner John Pickett signed a lease back in the 80's where the team only gets revenue from the limited number of luxury boxes and a tiny portion of ticket sales/concessions. The county and SMG gets the rest. It was a really dumb deal and it was a huge mathematical error by Pickett. Luckily, the Isles later signed a 35 year cable TV contract that has curbed some of the losses. If the Isles move outside the NY market, that cable deal is over. If Wang can't move to Nassau or Suffolk, Brooklyn would make more sense in order to cash in on the $20 mil-$25 mil a season the Isles get from Cablevision.

But it still comes down to Wang. If he sold the franchise, he would probably only get what he paid for it (around $190 million). He would absolutely (finally) make a profit in Brooklyn, but it just wouldn't be the same as having his arena, his land, and his team being the focal point there.
 

badcellphoneguy

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The Isles current lease is what's dragging this team down. Former owner John Pickett signed a lease back in the 80's where the team only gets revenue from the limited number of luxury boxes and a tiny portion of ticket sales/concessions. The county and SMG gets the rest. It was a really dumb deal and it was a huge mathematical error by Pickett. Luckily, the Isles later signed a 35 year cable TV contract that has curbed some of the losses. If the Isles move outside the NY market, that cable deal is over. If Wang can't move to Nassau or Suffolk, Brooklyn would make more sense in order to cash in on the $20 mil-$25 mil a season the Isles get from Cablevision.

But it still comes down to Wang. If he sold the franchise, he would probably only get what he paid for it (around $190 million). He would absolutely (finally) make a profit in Brooklyn, but it just wouldn't be the same as having his arena, his land, and his team being the focal point there.

Begbie that deal was horrible even by 1982 standards when it was actually signed. But loophole in the lease is that Nassau County can get rid of SMG an void the lease for the Islanders at the Nassau Coliseum. The problem is that Nassau County doesn't have another company in line to manage the arena. I dont know if Charles can handle it. The problem is in Nassau also is that it must go through the Board of Supervisors for any changes to the Coliseum. Most people on the board would want to keep SMG thats why the lease was never voided. This idea of voiding the lease was when Steve Gluckstern and Howard Milstein had the team. They should try and have it voided anyhow.

I am a believer that it is easier for fan to get to Brooklyn by mass transit than the Nassau Coliseum. This whole lighthouse thing is just too big of a project for that area. Traffic is already bad there when there is no game during the week. It would be millions times worse with that developed.

Charles should get into bed with Bruce Ratner either buidling the arena in brooklyn or nassau.
 

Mother Shucker

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The % of Isle fans who go to the games by mass transit is very very low.The % of Isle fans that are from Suffolk is much much higher. No one from Brooklyn will go to Islander games. It would be a disaster. The problem with the Wang deal, is not the County of Nassau, it is the Town of Hempstead. They say the traffic would fuck people who live in Uniondale. Uh, no one cuts through the back roads of Uniondale. The only traffic problem would be on the Meadowbrook. Almost everyone working and living in the new Hub would be using the parkway.
 

Your_Moms_Box

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If the team does stay somewhere in the New York - New England area then I'd love to have them renamed "The Whalers" just because I miss the old Hartford team (Yes... I know that they are the Hurricanes now)


However, I think it would be much more likely that they end up in another area entirely.

Las Vegas has been dying for a nig sports team, as have a few other places.... I think Kansas City is where the Penguins almost went.


regardless.. the team sucks..


Go Flyers
 

Myhairygrundle

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Can players handle the new uniforms? And how does wearing a pinky ring affect stick handling?

Hey Carmine...did ya see that fucking goon with the stick?

Put some skates on dis guy ova here!!!