The Fuck Tha Po-lice Thread

ysr50

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She's lawyered up and is suing, I can't cite a source other than I heard it on the morning news today as I walked past the tv.
 

lajikal

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Apparently the truck driver caught fire and the cops had to extinguish him. Yeah that don't look too good for the cops.
 

Stormrider666

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I understand what @THE FEZ MAN is saying about how insensitive some nurses can be and how infuriating social media mob justice is. I'm always willing to give the police the benefit of doubt and when they're right, I will stick up for them.

Having said all that, I don't think any of that applies to this situation and I think the cop was wrong. From what I read in this thread, the cops were involved in a high speed chase that lead to the death of the suspect/criminal, but also led to an innocent bystander being injured. The patient at the heart of the story. So the question becomes what would be the reason for the cops wanting to draw blood from an unconsciousness person. Now in any other case, it would be see if that person was responsible for the accident. But as we know in this case that person has already died.

So now it appears in this case that the cops are trying to see if the unconsciousness person bears responsibility. However like @whiskeyguy said:

"NO EVIDENCE NEEDED TO BE COLLECTED FROM HIS BLOOD. There was absolutely no suspicion that he was driving under the influence. The person who caused the crash had taken police on a high speed chase and hit the truck after traveling into the oncoming lane. No attorney in the world could pin that on the driver, so to collect blood so that he's "exonerated" is ridiculous. That does not fit into exigent circumstances. And if it did, a judge would agree and he could get a fucking warrant! Or if there was even the slightest chance that the driver was intoxicated, he could arrest him (even while he's unconscious) and draw blood!"

But like I previously stated, I'm willing to give the police the benefit of doubt. So if they felt there were circumstances that required the nurse to draw blood from the patient, all they had to do was go get a warrant. There are a few times where the phrase "There wasn't time to get a warrant" would be appropriate. This wouldn't be one of those times.

Yes I understand it was an homicide investigation. But the patient wasn't going anywhere and the police knew where he was. They had plenty of time to go ask a judge for a warrant. Outside looking in, it appears the cops are trying to cover their ass because the high speed pursuit resulted in a fatality and an injury.
 
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THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
Whether you are right or wrong, both of these statements are incorrect. Taking the second statement first, nobody on wackbag ever admits when they're wrong. So let's not kid ourselves here.

As for you being proven right or wrong via a legal decision, that's unlikely. The only thing that would have prompted a legal decision is if she had drawn the blood and

A) the patient would have sued or
B) he was on something and they used the blood evidence to charge him

The only scenario where a legal decision comes now is if dead guy's family sues, which isn't that likely. This is actually the point that undermines the cop's position the most.

The other option is if the nurse sues, but that's highly unlikely as well, because her understanding of the law was in fact incorrect, as was the officer's, as JB's article pointed out.

In the absence of a true legal decision, and after weighing all the evidence (while dismissing all the hysterical testimony), Judge Piggy is ready to issue his verdict:

The cop shouldn't have asked to draw the blood.

HOWEVER

The nurse should have complied with the request.

As this thread has perfectly illustrated, it's not up to private citizens, including nurses, to interpret the law. It's up to the judicial system. If the request turned out to be a violation of the dude's rights, then any evidence collected would have been thrown out if it ever came to a judicial proceeding.

The nurse faced no consequence for drawing the blood. Her best course of action if she didn't want to was to remove herself from the situation and get a hospital administrator. Instead she chose to play Perry Mason and she got tossed in a cop car like the dunce that she is.

A pair of side notes - right or wrong, I think it's hysterical that the nurse got arrested. As for the wackbag debate, everyone on both sides of the debate should be ashamed that Kirk - KIRK! Was the one who got it right.

Insurance
 

whiskeyguy

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As this thread has perfectly illustrated, it's not up to private citizens, including nurses, to interpret the law. It's up to the judicial system. If the request turned out to be a violation of the dude's rights, then any evidence collected would have been thrown out if it ever came to a judicial proceeding.

The nurse faced no consequence for drawing the blood. Her best course of action if she didn't want to was to remove herself from the situation and get a hospital administrator. Instead she chose to play Perry Mason and she got tossed in a cop car like the dunce that she is.

A pair of side notes - right or wrong, I think it's hysterical that the nurse got arrested. As for the wackbag debate, everyone on both sides of the debate should be ashamed that Kirk - KIRK! Was the one who got it right.
Hospital administration WAS contacted, along with legal council. Both said the cop was not allowed to draw blood, and as the decision was being made, he got sick of waiting for an hour and decided to make the decision for everyone. The cop, instead of waiting for the administration and legal team to make a call, decided he was either going to force the nurse to comply (after she had been instructed by her supervisor that her stance was the correct one), or arrest her.

And you're right, the nurse could have simply elevated the issue and take a smoking break while the cop drew blood himself. The fact that she didn't doesn't make her wrong. She gave the cop multiple sources of information showing that he couldn't draw blood, and that hurt his feelings so he drug her outside.

And whether or not the nurse would face consequences... that's a grey area. She is legally responsible for those patients, so at the very least she should have refused to draw blood and ordered the hospital staff not to assist. There's also the argument that the senior medical staff on site can deny access to a patient if they think it's the best thing for said patient. The way around that would be if the patient was under arrest, or a judge provided a warrant.

You're right in that this matter won't be decided in court, unless the cop decides to sue after he's fired. The nurse does have a lawyer, and will probably be getting a nice settlement.
 

whiskeyguy

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We're going in circles so here's my opinion summed up. Every piece of information showed the nurse that blood shouldn't have been taken. The lawyer, the administrators, the printout of hospital policy (which the police department had agreed to), etc. After the fact, every entity involved besides the officer himself agreed with the actions of the nurse. Nurses are told over and over again that it's their legal and ethical responsibility to protect the rights of patients that cannot speak for themselves. This cop was probably just unlucky enough to find the 1/50 nurses that actually cared about that responsibility over her personal well being. She got someone above her on speakerphone and elevated the situation to her supervisors, as well as printed him out a copy of the policy.

The cop ignored all this stuff, and decided he didn't want to wait for the hospital administration to double-check the policy. He did not need that blood sample for evidence as he claimed, the truck driver is assumed innocent until proven guilty, and there wasn't a shred of probable cause to lead anyone to believe he was guilty of anything. It is not the job of the police to take blood samples from CDL holders involved in an accident... that responsibility lies on the employer to administer a urine and breathalyzer test within 8 hours (they don't even take blood unless the driver works for the railroad).

This was her place of work and the patient was her responsibility. Without a warrant or arrest, she had more legal ability to make a call on behalf of the unconscious truck driver than the cop did. She was calmly explaining her position while waiting on an answer from administration. The cop got fed up and dragged her outside.

The nurse almost certainly didn't violate any laws, while the cop may have violated multiple ones. The cop is easily more in the wrong.

Edit: Not to mention the driver was in the fucking burn unit, where they usually want to keep them isolated from threat of infection. I'd like to see the alternate timeline where the cop drew blood, and was later thrown in jail for violating the patient's rights and creating an infection that later killed him. The nurse may have done the cop a favor here.
 

Mags

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Hospital administration WAS contacted, along with legal council. Both said the cop was not allowed to draw blood, and as the decision was being made, he got sick of waiting for an hour and decided to make the decision for everyone. The cop, instead of waiting for the administration and legal team to make a call, decided he was either going to force the nurse to comply (after she had been instructed by her supervisor that her stance was the correct one), or arrest her.

And you're right, the nurse could have simply elevated the issue and take a smoking break while the cop drew blood himself. The fact that she didn't doesn't make her wrong. She gave the cop multiple sources of information showing that he couldn't draw blood, and that hurt his feelings so he drug her outside.

And whether or not the nurse would face consequences... that's a grey area. She is legally responsible for those patients, so at the very least she should have refused to draw blood and ordered the hospital staff not to assist. There's also the argument that the senior medical staff on site can deny access to a patient if they think it's the best thing for said patient. The way around that would be if the patient was under arrest, or a judge provided a warrant.

You're right in that this matter won't be decided in court, unless the cop decides to sue after he's fired. The nurse does have a lawyer, and will probably be getting a nice settlement.
Yep. The cop was the only wrong party in this. The nurse was under no legal obligation to draw blood. She will get a settlement and quickly, to make this go away.
 
Was going to give it its own thread but meh.. I hit post before I was done I'll try to add what videos there are and the letters by attorneys and what not.

Quick story. Las Vegas PD gets called to Casino for shots fired inside casino. Cops treat it as active shooter. Seattle Seahawks player Michael Bennett is inside crouching behind slot machines. Police see him he runs. They catch up to him and say they'll blow his fucking brains out if he moves with a gun to his head. 10 minutes later he is released without charges. He releases twitter response saying he was profiled. Does not file complaint against police. Police union put out letter to NFL commissioner. Michael Bennetts lawyer responds by writing letter to feds.

NFL Player Accuses Las Vegas Police of Racism and Excessive Force After Brief Detention

Friday, September 8, 2017
Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett has accused Las Vegas Police of racism and excessive force during his detention after a report of a shooting in a casino.

The NFL star was in Las Vegas on Aug. 27 to see the Floyd Mayweather/Conor McGregor boxing match. After the fight, Bennett stopped in at the Cromwell casino.

Bennett had the bad luck to choose a casino where guests heard and reported a sound similar to gunshots. Police were called at 1:30 a.m. to respond to an assault and battery with a firearm, and with an active shooter in the casino.

Las Vegas Police charged into the casino in tight formation, trying to simultaneously search for a possible gunman while also safely evacuating the many patrons. The police circled the entire gambling floor once and were beginning a second circuit when they saw a man hiding behind a gaming machine.

When he saw the police, the man fled out a rear exit, leaping over a wall into traffic on Flamingo Boulevard.

Two police officers caught up with this person, who turned out to be Michael Bennett, and ordered him to get on the ground. They then handcuffed him and put him in a patrol car while they investigated him.

Bennett, in a lengthy Twitter post from September, claims that he was singled out because he was black, and that the arresting officers used excessive force. He claims that his life was placed in jeopardy “simply for being a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

The arresting officer did not have his body camera activated. However, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department has 126 different video feeds from other officers and other sources to analyze. Casino security cameras probably caught some of the incident, and police are asking for anyone who caught cellphone footage to submit it to the police.

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Undersheriff Kevin McMahill responded to Bennett’s tweet at a press conference on Sept. 6. After explaining the incident, he showed a lengthy video from another officer’s body cam.

McMahill said that the incident was being investigated by Internal Affairs, but from what he had seen, there was no racism involved. Police looking for an armed attacker would naturally expect someone who was trying to hide, who fled once he saw police, to be a possible suspect. It made sense this person would be detained and investigated.

After Bennett was identified, he was released. McMahill said that at the time Bennett said he understood the officers’ actions and was alright with what had happened.

“I can tell you as I stand here today, I see no evidence that race played any role in this incident,” McMahill asserted.

McMahill pointed out that officers helped patrons of all races exit the casino safely, and that the two officers who detained Bennett are Hispanic.

McMahill assured the public that if the investigation showed that any policies or training was violated, those officers will be held accountable.



Full video of bodycam with breakdown by police chief near end.

Bennetts tweet about being profiled.

Link to letter from LVPD union I guess..

Fuck it, I ain't twitter-literate. Basically NFL replies they aren't going to investigate Bennett at all. And lawyer for Bennett requests investigation into LVPD with his own letter.

 
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Were there other black people there?

Were other blacks arrested or accosted?

Did you run from an area where they were looking for any suspect (s) committing a felony and dangerous to the public?

If "yes", "no", "yes" are the answers, then shut the fuck up about racism.

Was the officer excessive with threatening language? OK, you could fight with that but that's the only thing you could cry about but note, that it was your own fault, for putting yourself in that position.
 
Oh Cenk...

Bodycam footage shows SLC officer fatally shooting fleeing Utah man; D.A. says the killing was justified

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill has cleared a Salt Lake City police officer who fatally shot a man on Aug. 13, after the man allegedly pulled a knife and threatened to injure officers trying to arrest him.

Patrick Harmon, 50, whose most recent address, according to court records from November 2016, was the Road Home shelter, was shot about 10:20 p.m. at 1002 S. State St.

A patrol officer had approached Harmon after watching the man ride across all six lanes and a median of State Street, and without a rear red tail light, according to the district attorney’s report, which was released Wednesday afternoon.

When asked for identification, according to the report, Harmon gave the officer a name that did not have a match in a police database. Body camera footage released Wednesday shows the officer searching for a name in the police database unsuccessfully.

In the video, the officer again asks Harmon for the spelling of his last name. The district attorney’s report said Harmon gave “a couple of different names.” Body camera footage shows Harmon quietly spelling his name and the officer asking for clarification multiple times.

Before the officer returned to his squad car, Harmon told the officer he may find a warrant related to a felony charge.

The officer called for backup on his radio, and two more officers soon arrived.


The officer did another check in the police database and found that Harmon had arrest warrants, including one for a felony. That warrant was for an aggravated assault, according to the report. Court records show that a $10,000 felony warrant had been issued in April, after Harmon did not show up for the sentencing. In that case, Harmon had pleaded guilty to aggravated assault, a second-degree felony.


In May, a judge issued a warrant for Harmon when he did not comply with probation requirements after pleading guilty in a misdemeanor drug possession case, court records show.

The officers on that August night told Harmon he was going to be arrested for his warrants.

Harmon pleaded with the officers to not take him to jail, an officer told investigators, and as police put the man’s hands behind his back to handcuff him, Harmon “bolted and ran.” As the three officers pursued him, the man “turned quickly” back toward them.

The officer who originally contacted Harmon drew his stun gun, and another, Officer Clinton Fox, drew his gun. All three officers reported hearing Harmon threaten to cut them. They saw him reach toward his right pants pocket and that he had something in his hand, the report said.

Fox later told investigators he saw a knife in Harmon’s hand with the blade exposed. He believed another officer was dangerously close to Harmon, he said.


In the footage, Fox shouts, “I‘ll f------ shoot you!” before firing three rounds at Harmon. Simultaneously, the other officer fires his stun gun.

Fox felt “terrified by how close Mr. Harmon was to the officers,” he told investigators. “Fox said that in ten years of law enforcement and two military deployments, it was the scariest situation he had ever been in,” according to the report.

Critically injured, Harmon was handcuffed and given first aid at the scene by police, and then was transported to the hospital by ambulance, where he was pronounced dead a short time later.

Body camera footage shows officers administering medical attention and saying, “Patrick, stay with us.“

At the scene, investigators found a knife on the ground, the report says.


The three officers wore body cameras that recorded the confrontation, the report says. The report includes several still frames from that footage, showing Harmon turning toward officers, Fox firing at Harmon and Harmon lying near a knife. There’s also a photo of the knife, taken by investigators.


The district attorney’s ruling comes days after Harmon’s family came to retrieve his body and local groups demanded the release of the police body camera footage at a protest.

Friends and family members did not believe Harmon deserved to die, they said, adding that he was a good man at his core, despite struggles with drugs.

His sister Antoinette Harmon told The Salt Lake Tribune on Wednesday that she had not heard about the report or seen the footage. She declined to comment further.


Fox had been placed on “modified duty,” said Salt Lake City Detective Robert Ungricht, pending the department‘s investigation, which was ongoing Wednesday.

Police Chief Mike Brown issued a statement saying he and the department “trust the process and support the decision” from Gill‘s office. “I believe our officers have the training, judgment and ability to make split-second decisions in dynamic situations,” Brown said.
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KRSOne

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This guy is the best.


You don't answer questions? That is correct.

Kokesh arrested, cops claim they found marijuana.


The first cop was cool. Pulled over twice in 1 day, could it have anything to do with Kokesh announcing his run for president in 2020?

Adam Kokesh Arrested Hours After Formally Announcing Candidacy for US President

Activist, freedom lover and STEEMian, @adamkokesh, was arrested in Texas yesterday, just hours after formally announcing his candidacy for US President in the upcoming 2020 elections. Adam was pulled over twice in a matter of 15 minutes while traveling through Texas in his RV while en-route to the North American Bitcoin Conference in Miami. During the second incident, the Texas police summoned a K9 which led to drug charges. Adam was found with a small amount of marijuana and was charged with 4 seperate charges. One was for possessing under 2 ounces of marijuana, 2 were for possession of an unspecified controlled substance and the fourth was for tampering with an investigation. Back in 2013 at a rally in Philadelphia, @adamkokesh was arrested and had drugs planted on him LIVE on video. Adam was taken to the Wise County Jail where he will likely be arraigned. @adamkokesh was traveling with his dog, Baloo. who was taken to the local pound.
https://steemit.com/freedom/@jeffja...ormally-announcing-candidacy-for-us-president

Can you imagine that? Being arrested this day and age for a little marijuana? It doesn't matter, its going to be legal when Willie Nelson is president.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
This guy is the best.


You don't answer questions? That is correct.

Kokesh arrested, cops claim they found marijuana.


The first cop was cool. Pulled over twice in 1 day, could it have anything to do with Kokesh announcing his run for president in 2020?

Adam Kokesh Arrested Hours After Formally Announcing Candidacy for US President



https://steemit.com/freedom/@jeffja...ormally-announcing-candidacy-for-us-president

Can you imagine that? Being arrested this day and age for a little marijuana? It doesn't matter, its going to be legal when Willie Nelson is president.
He was arrested because he’s a Well known Dick
 
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