The Idiots behind "Flavor of Love" "I Love New York" "Rock of Love" and the others

MJMANDALAY

Registered User
#1
These Fuckers should be slapped for the drivel they put on the air---------->



LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Spend any amount of time watching VH1's florid reality hit parade that includes "Flavor of Love," "I Love New York" and "Rock of Love," and the thought naturally occurs: Who comes up with this stuff?

Mark Cronin, left, and Cris Abrego say their shows are meant to be entertainment, not social commentary.

Meet Cris Abrego and Mark Cronin, the business partners and masterminds who have produced some of the channel's most popular and most talked-about -- or howled-about -- shows, and who this year alone will flood VH1 with eight series.

October is a true Abrego-Cronin extravaganza. "I Love New York 2" debuts Monday, giving Tiffany "New York" Pollard a second shot at romance, or something like it. And there are two newcomers, "America's Most Smartest Model," about lookers who must also prove their intellect, or something like it, and "Gotti's Way," the comeback effort of hip-hop producer Irv Gotti.

VH1 programming executive Michael Hirschorn knows just who Cronin and Abrego are: a couple of hardworking creative whizzes who are "absolutely crucial to our success" and who understand what the channel's target audience wants.

"Their shows definitely have a younger feel, a hipper feel than what you see on the networks," Hirschorn said. "They also have a unique ability to capture the imagination of young adults" by executing "TV that's aware it's TV."

"We're for viewers who are hip to the artifice of a lot of television," he explained, adding later: "The only sin is to be boring."

The result is either a new-wave approach to comedy and soap opera, as Cronin, Abrego and Hirschorn describe it, or, as various critics would have it, another nail in the coffin of Western civilization and a ghetto-stereotype slap in the face of black Americans.

That's not where they're coming from, the producers say.

"Cris and I don't have a political agenda. We don't have an exploitation agenda," said Cronin. "We take on a subject matter and make the best show we can about that. So the show's about Flavor Flav and the women attracted to him and the lunacy that ensues from that.

"In the case of Bret Michaels, it's women attracted to heavy metal hair bands and the lunacy that ensues from that," he said.

While "Flavor of Love" drew criticism for its depiction of the rapper's unrestrained romantic life and the sometimes rough-edged women he was choosing among, it's been a top-rated show among black viewers, Abrego noted.

"This is reality TV and those are real people doing real things," he said.

Last October, 7.5 million people tuned in to the second-season finale of "Flavor of Love" to give VH1 its biggest audience ever and adding to the channel's ratings recovery after its overdose of the "Behind the Music" bio series.

Not too shabby for a couple of college grads who plunged into show business without connections but with a childhood passion for TV. Cronin, a 43-year-old Philadelphia native, had to sneak his viewing between parent-ordered museum visits. Abrego, 35, who grew up in suburban Los Angeles, admits to an early fondness for anything from "Gilligan's Island" to "Falcon's Crest."

Cronin fled the staid world of chemical engineering after five years and got his big break by parlaying free sketches for Howard Stern's TV show into a job there. Abrego's first gig was sports editor for a Palm Springs TV station, editing game highlights.

Cronin traveled from Stern to MTV, working as head writer and then producer of Jenny McCarthy's "Singled Out." He started his own company, Mindless Entertainment, with an emphasis on game shows ("Beat the Geeks") and talk shows ("The X Show").

Abrego, meanwhile, studied at the graduate school of reality pioneer Bunim-Murray Productions ("Real World") and formed a company, 51 Pictures. When he and Cronin went into business together, creating 51 Minds Entertainment, they merged their experience, Abrego in reality and Cronin in comedy.

Their initial idea was to create a "real-life sitcom" with former TV stars, a way to revive the faltering comedy genre. What they came up with was "The Surreal Life," which debuted in 2003 on the now-defunct WB network and threw together the faded famous as roommates, including Corey Feldman and M.C. Hammer.

Where unemployed celebrities once angled for cameos on "The Love Boat" or "Fantasy Island," said Cronin, now they had reality as their outlet.

Flavor Flav starred in a subsequent season of "The Surreal Life," on which he "exploded as a character," as did his affair with Brigitte Nielsen, Cronin said. The Flav-Nielsen relationship begat "Strange Love" which begat "Flavor of Love" which begat "I Love New York."

Abrego and Cronin are willing to stack their shows up against any other, including the elements that detractors condemn as coarse or tacky.

"I think our reality shows are more real than a lot of the reality shows," Cronin said. "In the case of 'The Bachelor,' they present a very gauzy halo of romance, the prince and the princess, which doesn't seem very modern or connected to the real world."

VH1 listened to the complaints that swelled last year, Hirschorn said, responding with such shows as "Flavor of Love Girls: Charm School," in which Mo'Nique helped refine the losers, and an upcoming show about Salt-N-Pepa (not from Cronin and Abrego) about the rappers' values clash.

"We've taken that criticism and responded to it. We're also really trying to present all types of people on our air," Hirschorn said.

Some observers appear unconvinced, with recent online postings dissecting every VH1 move and motive, especially regarding the channel's images of black women.

Abrego and Cronin say they are starting to use their success to turn out more thoughtful projects, citing the Gotti series, debuting Oct. 15, which they describe as an "epic" look at the Murder Inc. record label head's effort to rebound after being acquitted on money laundering charges.

That said, they're not in the business of social commentary. "Flavor of Love" returns for season three next year.

"We don't produce our shows in a large context. We produce shows to be entertaining, moment to moment and episode to episode. We produce them for great characters and great storytelling," Cronin said.
 
#2
I wonder if they are also behind this was that was on the other night. Its some Asian whore with a real bad boob joob named Tia Tequila(?). She is supposedly bisexual, which she is revealing for the first time on national TV. She invites guys and lesbians into a house and she picks her true love out of this collection of metrosexuals and lesbo whores.
 

Budyzir

There's nothing quite like a shorn scrotum.
#4
I’m starting to formulate an hypothesis, the color that MJ posts in my be indicative of his "current mood" I'm still not sure what the mood - color correlation is, need to collect more data.
 

moegolden

Perv-switch toggler
#5
I am mad at them for producing this, but madder at vh1 for showing it and everyone else for watching it.

Unfortunately, tv people have realized long ago that the only way to reach across racial demographics is to show programming that appeals to as many different types of folks as possible.

for instance, i don't really like hip-hop much, but the train-wreck aspect of the original "flavor" had me checking in, in disbelief that there could be so many walking hootchie stereotypes on one show.

MTV cares only about being the central draw for a certain age group, and they only care about the numbers....why show rap videos when many people will not stay tuned? instead just show something that is in part a tribute to the rap world, while at the same time exploiting it.

it's all pretty genius really. unfortunately.
 

Perch1019

Registered User
#6
i love new york is horribly staged.
Yes but that doesnt make it any less entertaining. I watch it and know its 100% fake but it entertains the hell out of me. The filming of the midget with just his lil head above the bottom of the TV was fucking priceless.
 
#7
The shows may be idiotic, but I wouldn't call these guys idiots. It's their job to come up with shows that people watch, and they seem to be incredibly adept at that.
 
#8
Yes but that doesnt make it any less entertaining. I watch it and know its 100% fake but it entertains the hell out of me. The filming of the midget with just his lil head above the bottom of the TV was fucking priceless.
it only made it less entertaining went it went horribly and poorly staged. I watched the first season for the same reason as you- to laugh at these people.. but in those last couple episodes the shit with the two brothers was so poorly acted out I had to punch out. and reunion show managed to be even more poorly acted out.
 
#9
I am mad at them for producing this, but madder at vh1 for showing it and everyone else for watching it.

Unfortunately, tv people have realized long ago that the only way to reach across racial demographics is to show programming that appeals to as many different types of folks as possible.

for instance, i don't really like hip-hop much, but the train-wreck aspect of the original "flavor" had me checking in, in disbelief that there could be so many walking hootchie stereotypes on one show.

MTV cares only about being the central draw for a certain age group, and they only care about the numbers....why show rap videos when many people will not stay tuned? instead just show something that is in part a tribute to the rap world, while at the same time exploiting it.

it's all pretty genius really. unfortunately.
"The shows may be idiotic, but I wouldn't call these guys idiots. It's their job to come up with shows that people watch, and they seem to be incredibly adept at that."

Wow....right on point. My thoughts about these crap shows are, why are they getting such big numbers? The producers are doing something right. I think they will make a "reality" show about ANYTHING now and make money.
 
#10
Yes but that doesnt make it any less entertaining. I watch it and know its 100% fake but it entertains the hell out of me. The filming of the midget with just his lil head above the bottom of the TV was fucking priceless.
Dude, I felt bad laughing but that was funny as all hell.
 

ginaf20697

Registered User
#11
The midget was even better this week almost drowning :icon_lol:
 

Perch1019

Registered User
#13
it only made it less entertaining went it went horribly and poorly staged. I watched the first season for the same reason as you- to laugh at these people.. but in those last couple episodes the shit with the two brothers was so poorly acted out I had to punch out. and reunion show managed to be even more poorly acted out.
This year the mother totally ruins it. She is just horrible. Im convinced if she never appeared in the first season, they would have cast someone to be this cunt. It makes me vomit in my mouth as she talks about how she wants a piece of some of these guys.
Noone is faker and more of an actor then NY but Sista Patterson is really trying to cash in on her daughters "fame"
 
#14
Never watched a second of one of their dogshit, mind numbing shows and I never will.
 

commish13

Personal Friend of Chris Jericho
#15
"The shows may be idiotic, but I wouldn't call these guys idiots. It's their job to come up with shows that people watch, and they seem to be incredibly adept at that."

Wow....right on point. My thoughts about these crap shows are, why are they getting such big numbers? The producers are doing something right. I think they will make a "reality" show about ANYTHING now and make money.
Yeah, basically they cater to the lowest common denominator, which currently is the general youth population of this country. They enjoy shit TV, and they get lots and lots of it. It's the same reason wrestling fans LOVED the return of DX last year in WWE. Blatant and poorly done poopie and sex jokes with no wit about them and stuff that requires no thought, just blank staring to understand.

It's a shame, really, but as long as the guys who came up with the shit don't think it's brilliant or great TV and know they're just placating the rubes, then I have no problem with them.
 
#16
This year the mother totally ruins it. She is just horrible. Im convinced if she never appeared in the first season, they would have cast someone to be this cunt. It makes me vomit in my mouth as she talks about how she wants a piece of some of these guys.
Noone is faker and more of an actor then NY but Sista Patterson is really trying to cash in on her daughters "fame"
She is an actress (with a bad boob job) who is actually only 8 years older than Tiffany.
 
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