Treasongate

domelogic

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interesting story
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/11/rejecting-a-1-billion-bribe/

Rejecting a $1 Billion Bribe
I know the origin of the Russian Collusion story from its inception in July 2015 (it did not start in July 2016: that is a cover-up), and I know something highly significant regarding the corruption of a (former) senior federal official. I know this because of some fishy interactions I had with the FBI from July 2015 until Spring of 2017, including some extremely fishy requests and reactions from them. I did not come forward until two months ago because, once the Russian story emerged as a national political story in late 2017, I began expecting investigators would come tap me on the shoulder to find out what I knew. I waited, but they never did.

In December 2017 I was having lunch at the White House with General HR McMaster. As we parted he asked me, “What do you think of this crazy Russian stuff?” To my dying day I will always regret that I did not tell him, “Sir, I know a lot about it.” I regret that I did not because I might have saved our nation two years of anguish. Instead, I bit my tongue: I was in a White House under federal investigation, I had had a hand in the investigation, and the right thing to do was unclear. In the distant past I have been scolded by Men in Black for thinking for myself, and knowing the importance of the matters at hand, I thought the best thing was to play things completely by the book. I hesitated, shrugged, gave a non-committal answer, and took my leave. It was a terrible error.

In any case, I was completely confident those seeking the truth would be in contact with me sooner or later. The months ticked by: 2018 January, February, March…. I became concerned: how could people looking into these matters not have come across me and contacted me already? April 2018, no contact. May 2018, with the nation starting to go mad, I began to think the right thing for me to do was to come forward to someone. The question was, To whom? There clearly was something nefarious afoot, and I did not know who was to be trusted and who not. Maybe it meant, “Going to the DOJ,” but with Jeff Sessions at the helm, and Rod Rosenstein…? The hell with that that idea. Mueller had once been a distant hero of mine, but the fact that he had not contacted me already was disturbing (for reasons that either are already clear or will become so). I thought of going back to the White House, but knew that would be jumping into a washing machine. I thought about going to the press, but in 2005-2008, when I knew that the savings of America were being looted, had the details, and knew the system was going to melt down in a settlement crisis (precisely as Greenspan later testified), I had turned to the Press and discovered of what a grab-bag of herd-thinkers they were: a decade later I was not going to repeat that mistake.

backstory with Maria Butina
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/08/maria-butina-and-i-part-i-meeting-maria/
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/08/maria-butina-and-i-part-deux-romancing-maria/
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/10/maria-butina-finale/
 

JoeyDVDZ

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interesting story
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/11/rejecting-a-1-billion-bribe/

Rejecting a $1 Billion Bribe
I know the origin of the Russian Collusion story from its inception in July 2015 (it did not start in July 2016: that is a cover-up), and I know something highly significant regarding the corruption of a (former) senior federal official. I know this because of some fishy interactions I had with the FBI from July 2015 until Spring of 2017, including some extremely fishy requests and reactions from them. I did not come forward until two months ago because, once the Russian story emerged as a national political story in late 2017, I began expecting investigators would come tap me on the shoulder to find out what I knew. I waited, but they never did.

In December 2017 I was having lunch at the White House with General HR McMaster. As we parted he asked me, “What do you think of this crazy Russian stuff?” To my dying day I will always regret that I did not tell him, “Sir, I know a lot about it.” I regret that I did not because I might have saved our nation two years of anguish. Instead, I bit my tongue: I was in a White House under federal investigation, I had had a hand in the investigation, and the right thing to do was unclear. In the distant past I have been scolded by Men in Black for thinking for myself, and knowing the importance of the matters at hand, I thought the best thing was to play things completely by the book. I hesitated, shrugged, gave a non-committal answer, and took my leave. It was a terrible error.

In any case, I was completely confident those seeking the truth would be in contact with me sooner or later. The months ticked by: 2018 January, February, March…. I became concerned: how could people looking into these matters not have come across me and contacted me already? April 2018, no contact. May 2018, with the nation starting to go mad, I began to think the right thing for me to do was to come forward to someone. The question was, To whom? There clearly was something nefarious afoot, and I did not know who was to be trusted and who not. Maybe it meant, “Going to the DOJ,” but with Jeff Sessions at the helm, and Rod Rosenstein…? The hell with that that idea. Mueller had once been a distant hero of mine, but the fact that he had not contacted me already was disturbing (for reasons that either are already clear or will become so). I thought of going back to the White House, but knew that would be jumping into a washing machine. I thought about going to the press, but in 2005-2008, when I knew that the savings of America were being looted, had the details, and knew the system was going to melt down in a settlement crisis (precisely as Greenspan later testified), I had turned to the Press and discovered of what a grab-bag of herd-thinkers they were: a decade later I was not going to repeat that mistake.

backstory with Maria Butina
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/08/maria-butina-and-i-part-i-meeting-maria/
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/08/maria-butina-and-i-part-deux-romancing-maria/
https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/10/maria-butina-finale/
So... Wacko? Or legit? He can prove his connections to Butina, so it seems at least plausible that they roped him into a conspiracy.
 

ruckstande

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So... Wacko? Or legit? He can prove his connections to Butina, so it seems at least plausible that they roped him into a conspiracy.
I can't tell if this is a guy who wants to inject himself into a story or if he was a useful idiot because I still don't understand his supposed role.
 

domelogic

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I can't tell if this is a guy who wants to inject himself into a story or if he was a useful idiot because I still don't understand his supposed role.
I agree. He clearly has connections and did say he would reveal what he knows. I would say he just wants his 15 minutes except he did go to the doj to tell what he knows(that has not been shot down). I found it interesting he knew who Strzok was right away which means he has relevant info. His connections are key to this
 

domelogic

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This might help explain the delays in getting these reports out or at least give a better understanding. As frustrating as it might be and yes I still believe

The reasons the IG report has been delayed will delight Trump supporters
By Thomas Lifson

The continuing delays in releasing the Department of Justice Inspector General’s report on the FISA warrant have discouraged a lot of conservatives. But according to Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing, whose sources on the ongoing scandal have been excellent, the reasons behind the delay are entirely positive. Yesterday they appeared on Lou Dobbs’s show on Fox Business Network, and laid it out. The video is embedded below, but AT contributor Mark Wauck laid out the substance and transcribed key portions in his blog, Meaning in History:

Dobbs starts it off by asking if we'll ever see the OIG FISA report, and there's a bit of kidding about dueling anonymous sources. The WaPo source says "by Thanksgiving," but another source says that's "not likely." Then they get into the substance. Two major takeaways:
1) The delay on the OIG FISA report is "partially" due to John Durham's new Grand Jury activity--which can only mean that Durham is already taking testimony from persons named in IG Horowitz's report, and
2) Durham is actively investigating the leak of the Flynn/Kislyak phone call to David Ignatius of the WaPo, which diGenova describes as "a 20 year felony." Ouch! Maybe that person--or persons--will want to go for a deal? But they'll have to have something truly major to offer. Something that Durham can't get without their cooperation. And count on it

So, the transcript in relevant part--which means, virtually all of it:
Victoria Toensing: I can tell you this, and we have darn good sources for this, it [the OIG FISA report] is going to be very bad for the people in the Obama administration. My source said to me, "It's going to be worse than you can imagine."
...
Joe diGenova: I would say explosive and I would say, for people at the highest levels of the FBI and at the highest levels of the Justice Department--more important at the Justice Department--it’s going to be devastating. It’s going to ruin careers, it’s going to make people have bar problems ...
Victoria Toensing: Bill Barr problems! [laughs]
Joe diGenova: No, no, bar association problems. What’s clear, now we know is that the senior levels of the Obama Justice Department were complicit in knowingly submitting materially false applications to the FISA Court for an illegitimate counterintelligence purpose. Not for a legitimate purpose, but to spy on Americans for political purposes. And it really will end up being the beginning of the greatest political scandal in history. And it [the OIG FISA report] is being held up partially because of John Durham’s new Grand Jury, which by the way exists for one reason and one reason only – because people are going to be indicted.
Lou Dobbs: Now, he [Durham] is in charge of both FISA abuse and the origins of Spygate, whatever you want to call it--the worst political scandal in this country's history. Is anything being held up because of simply the vast scope of his investigation?
Victoria Toensing: It's been expanded, Lou. He's now going into whole other areas. He's going back into the origins of the investigation. For those of us who know this business, if you're in counterintelligence and you get word that George Papadopoulos has said he's heard something, that the Russians have something, you know what you do? You go knock on his door within a week and ask him about it, and have him give you the information, where did he get it ... They didn't do that. They didn't do that at all. They disobeyed all the rules of a counterintelligence investigation.

Toensing is absolutely right about that.
Joe diGenova: And it's expanded because, originally, Barr wanted Durham to just look at the beginnings of Crossfire Hurricane. How did it start, how did it happen? But then what they discovered, they found out from the Devin Nunes experience at the White House, in March of 2017, that there had been massive, massive, unmaskings of Americans for political purposes and that the information was given and leaked to the press. And, by the way, the Michael Flynn - Ambassador Kislyak call, the Russian Ambassador, which was leaked to David Ignatius of the WaPo, is in fact the subject of one of the criminal investigations because that leak is a 20 year felony.

And count on it, if Durham is looking at the leak, he's looking at everything to do with the Flynn case. And that means not just Comey and his gang of jokers, but Team Mueller, too.
Victoria Toensing: And I've got another idea for Durham. That is, he oughta bring in Mark Zaid before the Grand Jury and ask him how he knew CNN was gonna be a part of it. Was he talking to James Clapper? Did he know that Clapper was gonna leak the dossier?​
Here is the video clip:
 

ruckstande

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This might help explain the delays in getting these reports out or at least give a better understanding. As frustrating as it might be and yes I still believe

The reasons the IG report has been delayed will delight Trump supporters
By Thomas Lifson

The continuing delays in releasing the Department of Justice Inspector General’s report on the FISA warrant have discouraged a lot of conservatives. But according to Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing, whose sources on the ongoing scandal have been excellent, the reasons behind the delay are entirely positive. Yesterday they appeared on Lou Dobbs’s show on Fox Business Network, and laid it out. The video is embedded below, but AT contributor Mark Wauck laid out the substance and transcribed key portions in his blog, Meaning in History:

Dobbs starts it off by asking if we'll ever see the OIG FISA report, and there's a bit of kidding about dueling anonymous sources. The WaPo source says "by Thanksgiving," but another source says that's "not likely." Then they get into the substance. Two major takeaways:​
1) The delay on the OIG FISA report is "partially" due to John Durham's new Grand Jury activity--which can only mean that Durham is already taking testimony from persons named in IG Horowitz's report, and​
2) Durham is actively investigating the leak of the Flynn/Kislyak phone call to David Ignatius of the WaPo, which diGenova describes as "a 20 year felony." Ouch! Maybe that person--or persons--will want to go for a deal? But they'll have to have something truly major to offer. Something that Durham can't get without their cooperation. And count on it​
So, the transcript in relevant part--which means, virtually all of it:​
Victoria Toensing: I can tell you this, and we have darn good sources for this, it [the OIG FISA report] is going to be very bad for the people in the Obama administration. My source said to me, "It's going to be worse than you can imagine."​
...​
Joe diGenova: I would say explosive and I would say, for people at the highest levels of the FBI and at the highest levels of the Justice Department--more important at the Justice Department--it’s going to be devastating. It’s going to ruin careers, it’s going to make people have bar problems ...​
Victoria Toensing: Bill Barr problems! [laughs]​
Joe diGenova: No, no, bar association problems. What’s clear, now we know is that the senior levels of the Obama Justice Department were complicit in knowingly submitting materially false applications to the FISA Court for an illegitimate counterintelligence purpose. Not for a legitimate purpose, but to spy on Americans for political purposes. And it really will end up being the beginning of the greatest political scandal in history. And it [the OIG FISA report] is being held up partially because of John Durham’s new Grand Jury, which by the way exists for one reason and one reason only – because people are going to be indicted.​
Lou Dobbs: Now, he [Durham] is in charge of both FISA abuse and the origins of Spygate, whatever you want to call it--the worst political scandal in this country's history. Is anything being held up because of simply the vast scope of his investigation?​
Victoria Toensing: It's been expanded, Lou. He's now going into whole other areas. He's going back into the origins of the investigation. For those of us who know this business, if you're in counterintelligence and you get word that George Papadopoulos has said he's heard something, that the Russians have something, you know what you do? You go knock on his door within a week and ask him about it, and have him give you the information, where did he get it ... They didn't do that. They didn't do that at all. They disobeyed all the rules of a counterintelligence investigation.​
Toensing is absolutely right about that.​
Joe diGenova: And it's expanded because, originally, Barr wanted Durham to just look at the beginnings of Crossfire Hurricane. How did it start, how did it happen? But then what they discovered, they found out from the Devin Nunes experience at the White House, in March of 2017, that there had been massive, massive, unmaskings of Americans for political purposes and that the information was given and leaked to the press. And, by the way, the Michael Flynn - Ambassador Kislyak call, the Russian Ambassador, which was leaked to David Ignatius of the WaPo, is in fact the subject of one of the criminal investigations because that leak is a 20 year felony.​
And count on it, if Durham is looking at the leak, he's looking at everything to do with the Flynn case. And that means not just Comey and his gang of jokers, but Team Mueller, too.​
Victoria Toensing: And I've got another idea for Durham. That is, he oughta bring in Mark Zaid before the Grand Jury and ask him how he knew CNN was gonna be a part of it. Was he talking to James Clapper? Did he know that Clapper was gonna leak the dossier?​
Here is the video clip:
Sooooo we're just going to keep waiting and risk never having this ever be resolved it Trump either gets impeached, voted out of office, or dies.
 

Floyd1977

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Sooooo we're just going to keep waiting and risk never having this ever be resolved it Trump either gets impeached, voted out of office, or dies.
I said before, I’ll accept the dot all the “Is” cross all the “Ts“ but yeah clock is ticking. Once Trump is out of office due to losing 2020 or actually being removed, this whole thing is over. @domelogic What is the Alamo here?
 

domelogic

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Sooooo we're just going to keep waiting and risk never having this ever be resolved it Trump either gets impeached, voted out of office, or dies.
@domelogic What is the Alamo here?

It really does not matter if Trump were to be impeached. What has been started can not be stopped. Also this will all start to happen long before any impeachment will be possible. Yes you have to wait but it I’ll be worth it. A nice touch would be releasing it before Wednesday when Schitt starts his witch hunt. The longer this takes the worse it is for anyone indicted. There is no reason at this point to delay any of the investigation releases except for finding more evidence that is damning. Since Horowitz sent that letter to Congress already the report should be released very soon unless what Digenova is saying is that Durham has empaneled grand juries to indict from Horowitz’s report.
 
All you need is DOJ not willing to prosecute annnnnd done.
do you think that is Barr? The only way that happens with him is being fired. That will set off events that won’t end pretty. I think there is a decent portion of the country that is at that point and they don’t think rationally
 

Pigdango

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Sooooo we're just going to keep waiting and risk never having this ever be resolved it Trump either gets impeached, voted out of office, or dies.
Just so we're clear - you know Trump won't be removed from office even if the Dems get enough votes to impeach him, right? 20 Republican Senators would have to flip for him to be removed from office, and it's pretty clear there's nothing there.

I still don't think the House will ever bring this to a vote, they're simply keeping it in the news while the election cycle and this Treasongate thing are in the news.

Off topic, but question for the #EpsteinDidntKillHimself and #18BulletsInTheBackOfTheHead crowd - why hasn't Durham "killed himself"?
 
Just so we're clear - you know Trump won't be removed from office even if the Dems get enough votes to impeach him, right? 20 Republican Senators would have to flip for him to be removed from office, and it's pretty clear there's nothing there.

I still don't think the House will ever bring this to a vote, they're simply keeping it in the news while the election cycle and this Treasongate thing are in the news.

Off topic, but question for the #EpsteinDidntKillHimself and #18BulletsInTheBackOfTheHead crowd - why hasn't Durham "killed himself"?
its got to be the mustache.
 
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