Two more female Marines flunk infantry officers training

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Two more women have washed out of Marine Corps Infantry Officer Course, putting a quick end to the latest iteration of an experiment into which roles female Marines might be able to fill in combat.

The women failed the introductory Combat Endurance Test, a punishing test of physical strength and endurance, officials at Marine Corps headquarters said Tuesday. The latest class began March 28 at Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va., with 110 lieutenants participating. Ninety-six men passed the initial endurance test. Twelve men and two women — the only female Marines taking part — failed.

The 13-week course is considered among the toughest in the U.S. military, and is part of the Pentagon’s ongoing effort to determine which additional jobs in combat units should be opened to women. Recently retired Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, announced in January the Pentagon would open about 237,00 jobs across the services, including 53,721 in the Corps. However, the services will continue to conduct their own experiments to determine if certain military occupational specialties should be kept closed to women.

The New York Times reported that one of the women who flunked out of IOC last week had served as an enlisted Marine before becoming an officer. She failed to make it over a horizontal bar on an obstacle course. The second woman was a recent Naval Academy graduate. She did better with the obstacle course, but ran out of time, the Times reported.

Marine officials declined to release any details about the two latest female volunteers. The service is still soliciting women to join future classes of IOC.

The Corps began recruiting female volunteers for IOC last year as part of a broader effort to assess how female Marines might perform in assignments whose primary mission is ground combat. Two women stepped forward for the class that began in September and failed. No other female Marines had participated in an IOC class since until last week.

The military’s repeal of the ban on women serving in combat units sets up a fight that goes all the way to senior levels of the services. Senior leaders in each branch will decide in coming years what jobs should be kept open to female service members, with special attention likely paid to communities that require feats of strength.

In particular, senior Marine officials acknowledge they have heard many concerns from rank-and-file personnel about whether the Corps will open to women jobs in the infantry, reconnaissance and special operations communities. All of them require lifestyles that can be punishing, and service members within those communities must rely on each other while living in close quarters during deployments.

The Marine Corps’ commandant, Gen. Jim Amos, said he’s aware of concerns from infantrymen, and wants to ensure standards are not lowered because of the policy change. In a letter distributed to his general officers the same day the Pentagon announced the policy change, Amos said the plan that he and the other joint chiefs developed calls for a three-year research period before the top officers in the Corps and Army make recommendations to civilian leaders in 2016. He stressed that no decisions have been made, including in the infantry, recon and spec-ops communities.

“I believe we have created the conditions for [the next commandant] to provide his best analytically informed military advice on this critical matter to the civilian leadership, who have the constitutionally enshrined power of final decision,” Amos wrote. “I don’t know what my successor’s recommendation will be, but the end state is not a foregone conclusion, as some have suggested.”
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Mags

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We just need to curve the test more to bring diversity to the Marines.
 

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Why are they doing an experiment? Just let all the women apply (like men) and the ones that can't handle it flunk out, just like any other sub-par applicant.
 

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Love the jokes, but I just can't bring myself to make one. I have nothing but respect for those two women.
 

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I appreciate the effort, and all due respect (especially when they knew they were under the microscope) but if you can't keep up, you're a fucking burden and will get guys killed.
 

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Love the jokes, but I just can't bring myself to make one. I have nothing but respect for those two women.
I have more respect for the women that passed.




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They shouldn't have to lower the bar. Most men can't hack it in the Marines.
 

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I wonder how this could go wrong?
Pentagon mulling separate combat training for men, women
The military is looking at ways to modify its training for women to help them qualify for direct ground combat roles in the infantry, tanks and special operations.
Senior officers revealed the new effort this week at a hearing of the House Armed Services subcommittee on personnel.
The armed services have pledged that their standards for ground combat and commando operations will be the same for men and women.
But now commanders are raising the possibility of a two-tiered training system.
The idea was presented by Rep. Niki Tsongas.
“To put in place a training regimen that is ill-suited to maximizing the success of women is not really the outcome any of us want to see,” she said.
Army Lt. Gen. Howard Bromberg, deputy chief of staff for personnel, agreed.
“We are looking at that, and we’re not looking at it just for the integration of women,” Gen. Bromberg testified. “We’re looking at it for the total soldier, because just as you have a 110-pound male who may lack some type of physiological capability or physical capability, he or she may both need to be trained differently. We’re trying to expand our understanding of how we train.”
Lt. Gen. Robert Milstead Jr., deputy Marine Corps commandant for manpower, put forward a pitch for gender-segregated boot camp. The Corps is the only service that has maintained gender-segregated initial training.
“I think an excellent example of what you’re talking about is our gender-separated boot camp,” Gen. Milstead testified. “We don’t start teaching the [occupations] there. Our boot camp is about the transformation of individuals, men and women, from being a civilian to being a United States Marine. We have it separated for that reason, because we feel that this transformation, it goes on a separate track. It needs to be handled different.
“They need to be nurtured different. They just need different steps as they go. They end up in the same place, the United States Marines.”
The Marine Corps has charged to the front of the women-in-combat issue by asking female officer volunteers to try to complete the officer combat qualification course at the base in Quantico, Va.
Women are expected to perform the same tasks as men. All six women who have entered the course have dropped out due to injury or failure to complete the course.
The Pentagon lifted the ban on women in direct combat roles in January. The services and U.S. Special Operations Command are studying combat standards to validate or change them before a decision is made to move women into those roles in January 2016.
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I'm sure the savages will employ female soldiers to fight our female soldiers. :rolleyes:
 

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I don't understand why they want to lower the standards. Combat is life or death. Why risk the death of everyone in a unit when someone got through with easier tests and easier physical tests? Who makes these decisions? It is a dangerous thing to do.