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University Apologizes for “Stomping Jesus”

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  1. Josh_R

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    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/university-apologizes-for-stomping-jesus.html



    This is actually a great lesson, and every person outraged by it is completely demonstrating the point. The point is to think about why writing a word on a piece of paper imbues it with some meaning. Why the fuck couldn't you step on a piece of paper that you yourself just wrote five letters on? It goes completely to our obsession with symbolism and superstition.
     
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    This sort of shit is more of the indoctrination of progressives. Morality, self reliance and self responsibility are the three lynch pins of the "old world" as they see it. Government is your god, and with it all things are solved.
     
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    Sorry I edited the post. I think you might have missed the point of me posting it. I agree with the lesson and think it's ridiculous that everyone is pissed off.
     
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    Not the point. Just like you wouldn't do that with Muhammad you shouldn't do it with Jesus. This is exactly what gives atheists a bad name. Not believing in God doesn't mean you have to be an inconsiderate dickhead. "See? That thing you believe in and helps you in life is just bullshit! SEE?! I'M STOMPING ON IT!!!" Yeah, that's real enlightened of you. Show those backwards cavemen how modern humans behave towards each other!
     
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    I stand by my statement because that symbolism you speak of is important to some. It's not like the kid decided that stepping on a piece of paper was worthy of cutting off heads. He simply refused to do it, took offense and that's his right to do so as a mormon.

    I hear stories from the guys I work with who have little kids in school. The teachers expect the kids to sing songs praising Obama but doing the pledge in the flag in the morning is "optional". I don't care much for religion, but I do know the progs really like the idea of people getting it in their heads that the government is that one entity worthy of never being questioned.
     
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    By the way, I wonder what this professor things about use of the word Nigger or Faggot or Kike or whatever. Somehow I have the feeling that he fully supports the artificial power that our society gives to those words. Where's the college exercise where you force students to call each other racial slurs? Hey, it's just to show that those words are only artificially insulting!
     
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    And just for the record, I am a non practicing, verging on atheist Jew and I would also refuse to stomp on a piece of paper with the word Jesus on it, especially if there were Christians in the class that would be offended by it. I fully understand on a cerebral level that the word itself is meaningless and that stomping on it would have no consequences on my eternal soul. but I also fully understand on a cerebral level that there is no merit in me doing that, and that it could ONLY serve to offend people who don't think the word itself is meaningless.
     
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    He should've asked them to write His name on toilet paper.
     
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    More outrage. Just what society needs.
    Translation: Why didn't he ask them to desecrate someone else's god? Jesus is the son of the true God and shouldn't be mocked.

    I understand the double standard, but a lot of the complaints I hear about it are themselves born out of a double standard.
     
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    I disagree. The stated point of the lesson was to demonstrate and study the importance of symbolism and talk about why many/most people will hesitate to stomp on a piece of paper that they themselves had just written on. It was not stepping on a Bible or Koran. The meaning was imbued in the graphite and paper by the individual that just wrote it there.
    I find it extremely interesting that one would find some meaning or reverence in a word that they just wrote down. Had they written another word, or nothing at all, no one would hesitate. The inability to separate a physical representation from the idea that the word represents is a compelling piece of human psychology. To the individuals that hesitated, or abstained altogether, they felt as though they were desecrating the very idea of Jesus, rather than performing the act of stepping on a piece of paper with squiggly lines drawn on it.
     
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    And what do you think the outrage would be if any of those racial/sexual orientation slurs were written on the paper. Hell, even PC terms like African-American or homosexual. This teacher would be fired in a second. Do you think he would ever have the balls to have them stomp on an image of Muhammad?

    If the teacher truly wanted to make this a powerful lesson, they would have picked a more controversial word. I don't really have a problem with the concept of the lesson, just the dishonesty and cowardliness of using "Jesus" and not something harsher.

    Also, college students stomping around in class? That just seems ridiculous.
     
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    It was probably a conscious decision by the teacher, because Jesus is the figure that most of the students are most likely to identify with. Thus the most likely name to elicit the response that they hoped to study. What would have been really demonstrative is if she asked them to first do the experiment with an obscure god from a religion that they had never heard of, THEN do the Jesus test. It would demonstrate the relative importance of the different symbols.
     
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    Clearly, hurt feelings got in the way of studying an interesting facet of human psychology...what a very liberal response. :)
     
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    Wouldn't it have been a better lesson to instruct the kids to write the name of their individual god on the paper, or if atheist the word that holds the most power (positive or negative) over them? Like I said, the teacher will never risk telling students to stomp on the word or image of Muhammad, so he's a coward.
     
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    That's kind of the idea I was getting at.
    That may be so, and if so, then yes he is. However, that is a completely different issue.
     
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    You don't study the importance of symbolism by enforcing your notion that symbolism isn't important. In fact, the proper lesson is to say to someone: "Will you stomp on a piece of paper that says Jesus on it?" and if he says no, ask him to explain what about it makes him uncomfortable. THAT is studying the importance of symbolism, not saying "see? This word is meaningless." That's not study, that's indoctrination.
     
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    When I was in college, we got a book to read that we needed to write a report on. After a couple of chapters I emailed my teacher and said: "Look, I have no problem reading this book and writing a paper, but be warned: I will attack it, and attack it harshly." She said: "That is perfectly legitimate." My vicious attack got an A and she even told me she probably won't use it in future semesters (I guess I was effective). THAT'S what a college assignment should be. You don't tell someone how to feel about something. You present something and let the students express how THEY feel about it.
     
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    No one said it wasn't important. The experiment clearly demonstrated that it was. A physical demonstration, where the students don't know the "punchline" is a far stronger image than asking a question. One is real one is theoretical.
     
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    That's exactly what the teacher did. She presented something, and each person's reaction demonstrated how they felt about it.
     
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    And then the student got suspended for refusing to take the teacher's position - that it is meaningless to stomp on a piece of paper with the word Jesus on it. Did you even read the story? That's like me attacking that book and getting an F, and you saying: "She let you express how you felt. Your expression happened to be wrong so you got an F." You are totally contradicting yourself.
     
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    I would have no problem stepping on the word 'Jesus', but I wouldn't dare if 'Joe Hamm's Hog' was written on the paper.

    I wouldn't dare insult the symbolism of true power and divinity.
     
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    Kind of... I have no issue with the core concept of this lesson, just with the fact that Jesus has become the accepted punching bag for stuff like this in the country, by people who would never risk offending another religion. I really respect the South Park guys because they're two of the few people who aren't cowards and will attack everything. Like I said, simply displaying an image of Muhammad offends Muslims, so wouldn't that be a perfect lesson for this class? Yet that would never happen.
     
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    Only if there were Muslim students in the class to get offended.
     
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    The school gets caught and denies denies denies. Nothing to see here, move along. And the original story quotes what the exercise should be like, not what it was actually like.
     

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