USAF raids Vegas gun store...

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Las Vegas, NV (KTNV)- We're learning more on why the U.S. Air Force raided a local gun store Friday. They say it wasn't guns they were looking for.

An official from the Air Force is speaking to Action News about that raid. New information clarifies that this may have been an inside job, and the penalties could turn out to be very severe.

It was an afternoon that rocked businesses near Dean Martin and Flamingo. Local and federal law enforcement agencies swarmed in and served search warrants on Citadel Gun and Safe.

New information gives us an insight on the massive raid that up until now, authorities were tight lipped about. Turns out it was the Air Force Office of Special Investigations that led the raid.

"They went in there and did in fact find stolen air force military property that was stolen from Nellis Air Force Base," says Linda Card with the Air Force OSI.

Metro lent a hand as well as the FBI, ATF, and ICE. The recovered material though would not have posed a danger to regular people, says the Air Force.

"It did not include weapons, guns, explosives of any kind, bombs, nothing like that. It was basic stolen military property," says Card.

It's unclear what "basic military property" really is. We went to the Citadel Gun and Safe store Saturday it was open for business, but they promptly told us, not open for comment. After questioning the store owner and raiding his home, authorites have turned their investigation to Nellis Air Force Base.

"But if someone is in fact guilty at Nellis and they did steal military equipment and they tried to sell it outside, yes they will be charged for whatever it is that they did," says Card.



At this point no one has been charged, but as the questioning continues, formal charges could come as early as next week. We're told the gun store's owner did cooperate with authorities, and the investigation is still open.
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Looks like some of Kirk's buddies have been commenting on the article. $5 says they were going after stolen NVDs, armor, radios, or optics. Those 4 things are have habits of going missing, and are all taken seriously when they do.
 
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From the comments:

The US Air Force is not a law enforcement branch and should never got this role. The CIA use to gather information only, but also morphed into an assault capable force with no clear boundaries from the military. http://www.youtube.com/newamericanow
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Metro lent a hand as well as the FBI, ATF, and ICE. The recovered material though would not have posed a danger to regular people, says the Air Force.
Umm the reason the OSI was involved is that the stuff stolen was from the Air Force... same reason why local law enforcement was involved with the FDA. When the FDA "raided" that hippie grocery place.

Title should have read several federal and local law enforcement agencies raid gun store... sigh.
 

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Title should have read US Air Force OSI along with several federal and local law enforcement agencies raid gun store for possible Air Force property that should've have been there in the first place.
Fixed :action-sm
 

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I'll tell you this much; if there is an organization you DON'T want breathing down your neck; it's OSI, NCIS and CID.
 

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Especially since OSI had info indicating the theft was internal to the base.
 

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Especially since OSI had info indicating the theft was internal to the base.
Hold on just a second there. Let's wait until Kirk comes in here, posting an Alex Jones video. Then we'll definitively know just what, and what not OSI is allowed to do.

Cue OSI taking away our 2nd Amendment rights in 3...2...
 

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I bet it was optics stolen from the Security Forces (USAF Military Police) supply. ACOG's are in high demand along with EOTech's and other optics. Some moron Airman likely saw a couple dozen cases of ACOG's sitting in supply and got sticky fingers. They are going to nail his hide to the wall when they finally arrest and charge him.
 

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I bet it was optics stolen from the Security Forces (USAF Military Police) supply. ACOG's are in high demand along with EOTech's and other optics. Some moron Airman likely saw a couple dozen cases of ACOG's sitting in supply and got sticky fingers. They are going to nail his hide to the wall when they finally arrest and charge him.
Same goes for Aimpoints, which are more likely than EO Techs. My bet would be on NVDs or thermal optics, though, since they are much more tightly controlled than ACOGs and Aimpoints are.

How much would something like that go for on the market?
Depends, but it isn't worth the risk of CID, et al knocking on your door when they find out you have one. Plenty of cases where guys bought them not knowing they were stolen, only to have CID track them down later and seize them.
 

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Same goes for Aimpoints, which are more likely than EO Techs. My bet would be on NVDs or thermal optics, though, since they are much more tightly controlled than ACOGs and Aimpoints are.



Depends, but it isn't worth the risk of CID, et al knocking on your door when they find out you have one. Plenty of cases where guys bought them not knowing they were stolen, only to have CID track them down later and seize them.
Are there any differences between the military spec optics or the regular optics you can get from the distributors website or from gun shops that are upstanding?
 

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How much would something like that go for on the market?
Aimpoint - $600.00
ACOG Combat Optic - $1600
Luepold Long Range - $1900
EOTech $425-$750 depending on model

Being the Air Force, they likely had dozens of any of the above. Especially the Trijicon ACOG and Aimpoints. Maybe body armor is involved, but I doubt it. Military night vision is not exactly sitting out in the open due to it costing $$$$. But who knows.
 

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Aimpoint - $600.00
ACOG Combat Optic - $1600
Luepold Long Range - $1900
EOTech $425-$750 depending on model

Being the Air Force, they likely had dozens of any of the above. Especially the Trijicon ACOG and Aimpoints. Maybe body armor is involved, but I doubt it. Military night vision is not exactly sitting out in the open due to it costing $$$$. But who knows.
Definitely getting charged with grand theft then. Whoever did this is getting some years.
 

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Are there any differences between the military spec optics or the regular optics you can get from the distributors website or from gun shops that are upstanding?
Nope. Trijicon (ACOG) and Aimpoint both sell their military models to civilians, albeit at a premium price.

Aimpoint - $600.00
ACOG Combat Optic - $1600
Luepold Long Range - $1900
EOTech $425-$750 depending on model

Being the Air Force, they likely had dozens of any of the above. Especially the Trijicon ACOG and Aimpoints. Maybe body armor is involved, but I doubt it. Military night vision is not exactly sitting out in the open due to it costing $$$$. But who knows.
ACOGs are as low as $700-800 depending on model, Aimpoints as low as $400, and Leupold anywhere from $800-1800. As for missing NODs, you'd be surprised. I've seen the reward posters for info on missing night vision and thermal optics on several occasions when I was still on Fort Bragg.
 

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All that shits gotta be serialized and real easy to track dont you think?
 

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All that shits gotta be serialized and real easy to track dont you think?
Pretty sure Aimpoints and ACOGs are, and I know for a fact NVD and thermal optics are. Fun fact: Some of the newer night vision technologies are so restricted under US law, that you cannot even allow a non-US citizen to LOOK through them.
 

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Thermal > night vision.
Depends on the situation, really. Thermal is heavier and bulkier than light-amplification, and has a higher drain rate. On the plus side, it can be useful in daylight, where NVD is essentially useless.
 

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Nope. Trijicon (ACOG) and Aimpoint both sell their military models to civilians, albeit at a premium price.



ACOGs are as low as $700-800 depending on model, Aimpoints as low as $400, and Leupold anywhere from $800-1800. As for missing NODs, you'd be surprised. I've seen the reward posters for info on missing night vision and thermal optics on several occasions when I was still on Fort Bragg.
I was more or less quoting the top of the line shit, which the military tends to have. That is civilian retail, the military - add a zero and move the decimal point if what they say is true about contract prices.
 

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I was more or less quoting the top of the line shit, which the military tends to have. That is civilian retail, the military - add a zero and move the decimal point if what they say is true about contract prices.
Actually, the military gets a lot of this shit for surprisingly cheap due to quantities purchased.
 

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Pretty sure Aimpoints and ACOGs are, and I know for a fact NVD and thermal optics are. Fun fact: Some of the newer night vision technologies are so restricted under US law, that you cannot even allow a non-US citizen to LOOK through them.
That is fucking cool.
 

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its not just optics but weird shit like rails forward grips mollie stuff MREs ect.
 

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When I first read the title I thought it said "USAF raids Vegan gun store."
 

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its not just optics but weird shit like rails forward grips mollie stuff MREs ect.
If I had a chance to buy MRE's from a legitimate source for a good price I would jump on it. I have a couple cases that I bought from an Army surplus website and they are expensive.
 

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Fun fact: Some of the newer night vision technologies are so restricted under US law, that you cannot even allow a non-US citizen to LOOK through them.
Ooo... like Nigel Tufnel's guitar. "Don't look at it. You cahn't look at it. You cahn't."