Verizon strikers directing traffic after blocking Verizon truck in NYC intersection

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This happened today near my office. Striking Verizon workers blocked 2 verizon trucks including 1 in the middle of an intersection at Water and Williams st. Verizon guys were directing traffic around the blocked truck using whistles just like the traffic cops until the real cops showed up.

[video=youtube;cPTU5QFeGH4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTU5QFeGH4[/video]
 

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Assholes aren't doing themselves any favors
 

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A-10's should open fire on them.
 

CousinDave

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Solid point. But when they cant find another job what then?

I guess Verizon isn't that bad then.

I'm rather sympathetic to unions (gov't employees excluded) but you never strike in a bad economy and if strikers do anything that intnetionally disrupts anyone outside of the parties to the contract then they should automatically do 10 years in prison.
 

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I guess Verizon isn't that bad then.

I'm rather sympathetic to unions (gov't employees excluded) but you never strike in a bad economy and if strikers do anything that intnetionally disrupts anyone outside of the parties to the contract then they should automatically do 10 years in prison.
But does an economic downturn give freedom to a large corporation to cut the benefits of its workers just because they have no viable alternative? These workers are fighting to keep their benefits where they are, they arent trying to fight for more. Verizon is the asshole in this situation.
 

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But does an economic downturn give freedom to a large corporation to cut the benefits of its workers just because they have no viable alternative? These workers are fighting to keep their benefits where they are, they arent trying to fight for more. Verizon is the asshole in this situation.

I don't really know, but I would think that in a weak economy the price of labor goes down, which is why I think its stupid to strike in such economic times.

The economic situation will improve, I don't know when, but I am positive that it will improve, and when it does the cost of labor will go up and that is the time to strike if necessary if you're not being properly compensated.
 

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I don't really know, but I would think that in a weak economy the price of labor goes down, which is why I think its stupid to strike in such economic times.

The economic situation will improve, I don't know when, but I am positive that it will improve, and when it does the cost of labor will go up and that is the time to strike if necessary if you're not being properly compensated.
Just remember that the Verizon workers are striking to just keep their benefits, they arent asking for an increase in anything. Verizon is being a solid dick in this situation, the economy is just a reason why they are trying to fuck their workforce over.
 

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Just remember that the Verizon workers are striking to just keep their benefits, they arent asking for an increase in anything. Verizon is being a solid dick in this situation, the economy is just a reason why they are trying to fuck their workforce over.

that's why I said the cost of labor goes down in weak economies and benefits are part of the cost of labor

I just think its the wrong time to fight a battle that you probably can't win, especially when most other people are having to pay more of their own "benefits" so the public is not going to be sympathetic.
 

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But does an economic downturn give freedom to a large corporation to cut the benefits of its workers just because they have no viable alternative?
Freedom is by definition something that can only be taken away, not given. So no, the economic downturn doesn't give them any freedoms. But they do have that freedom. It's their company. There is no justification for taking it away, or for taking even a little part of it away by force.

It doesn't matter why you want to take that freedom away, what great need you have, or what amazing humanitarian reason you can come up with. The end result will always be exactly the same: to empower the thugs you are relying on to take that freedom.

That's what it means to be morally reprehensible: to evade and ignore the long term consequences, usually understood by using a general truth or principle, in favor of immediate gain. Whether it's a criminal robbing someone, ignoring the long term consequences of his actions (and the principle of justice) in favor of a quick loot, or an upstanding citizen voting for a socialist thug, ignoring the long term consequences on the economy (and the founding principles of the country) in favor of a quick handout, it's the same exact thought process, the same exact immorality and the same exact outcome. In the long run, justice will prevail, because justice is a symptom of reality. And you can't escape reality.
 

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that's why I said the cost of labor goes down in weak economies and benefits are part of the cost of labor

I just think its the wrong time to fight a battle that you probably can't win, especially when most other people are having to pay more of their own "benefits" so the public is not going to be sympathetic.
So is it the right time to slash benefits of your current work force, especially when they are unionized employees who have signed/agreed to a CBA? Verizon is in the wrong here and for them to even bring up a possible benefit cut at this point in time is despicable.
 

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So is it the right time to slash benefits of your current work force, especially when they are unionized employees who have signed/agreed to a CBA? Verizon is in the wrong here and for them to even bring up a possible benefit cut at this point in time is despicable.
a) Their contract expired. Verizon wanted to renegotiate.

b) The division is hurting. Verizon is a company and companies have to turn a profit, or they go out of business. Either they take the cuts in benefits and Verizon skates by, or they fight Verizon to the point that it says "fuck land lines" and sells off the entire division (as it has already done partially), or starts laying people off.

Then, when the economy recovers and (hopefully) the division starts making a little more money, the employees can renegotiate and at a point when other employment options are possible and Verizon may be able to afford to pay them more.

Employees should show some loyalty and commitment to the companies they work for by giving concessions if necessary to keep them afloat. Unions today are so fucking selfish that they would rather a company collapses than give up any compensation. In Seattle the Boeing unions are so bad that the company decided to build an entirely new plant on the east coast... and now the union is trying to prevent them from doing that through legislation.

Unions were good when companies weren't providing coal miners with hard hats and respirators... these days they're just corrupt entities that have absolutely no gratitude for the companies that employ them.
 

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So is it the right time to slash benefits of your current work force, especially when they are unionized employees who have signed/agreed to a CBA? Verizon is in the wrong here and for them to even bring up a possible benefit cut at this point in time is despicable.


If the current contract is up then Verizon isn't taking anything from them, its time to start over
 

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So is it the right time to slash benefits of your current work force, especially when they are unionized employees who have signed/agreed to a CBA? Verizon is in the wrong here and for them to even bring up a possible benefit cut at this point in time is despicable.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I think you're much worse than Verizon, and what you are defending is far more despicable. But neither of us has the right to use force to punish the people we think are wrong or despicable. That's the beauty of Capitalism: even people who hate each other will probably get along, because there is a clear boundary between what is and what isn't acceptable when humans interact. That boundary is the use of physical force, against another man's life, liberty or property.

The boundary was violated when the strikers stopped those trucks. The government needs to defend that boundary, and punish the criminals who ignored it. If you don't support that, be prepared to get your head bashed in yourself, when someone disagrees with your choices in life, be it the way you run your company, household, personal life, or even just the opinions you have.