Welfare as a percentage of entitlements

mills

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Some questions I have that hopefully can be answered relatively simply.

OK, so social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare all go under the category of "Entitlements". I got that.

What percent of these "Entitlements" does welfare make up?

And why do people put these things in the same category? Welfare seems to me to be in a fairly different category from social security. And Medicare. Medicaid, that's a different story, but a smaller story.

Yes you know what I'm getting at. Racist assholes enjoy painting this "Entitlement" category, which includes social security and medicare, with the word "WELFARE" at the beginning of it.

Seems pretty deceptive to me.
 

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Means-tested welfare is what people typically mean when they say federal welfare. Social Security, Medicare, Worker's compensation and unemployment insurance are not means tested welfare programs. TANF/welfare checks, SNAP aka EBT cards/food stamps and things like that are. "Means testing" just means they look at money and assets and if you make too much money you can get the program. Bill Gates cannot get food stamps, for instances.

Fiscal year 2011 had 76 federal means tested programs/welfare programs. The price tag was 717 billion dollars out of 3.6 trillion.
I haven't seen papers doing a 2012 breakdown but I can't imagine it would be any lower.

So you get about 20 percent or so goes to welfare. This is quite apart from local and state welfare programs which add about another 250 billion to the means-tested welfare bill.

The inclusion of Social Security, Medicare and veteran's benefits takes the total spending on things that are considered "safety net" programs but not explicitly welfare to a bit over 60 percent.
 

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Too much jargon too quickly. I didn't understand any of it.

The inclusion of Social Security, Medicare and veteran's benefits takes the total spending on things that are considered "safety net" programs
What percentage of safety nets enrage isolated Caucasians to the point of segregation advocacy?

What percentage of the verbally enraged can we quickly find a border for and throw them the fuck across it because of their obvious social counter-productivity?
 

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What the hell are you talking about? These welfare bums are a trillion dollar a year drain on the economy. I'd say 20 percent, federal and state, is what pisses Whites off. Section 8/housing interference, TANF/welfare checks and EBT/food stamps being the most loathed.
 

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What the hell are you talking about? These welfare bums are a trillion dollar a year drain on the economy. I'd say 20 percent, federal and state, is what pisses Whites off. Section 8/housing interference, TANF/welfare checks and EBT/food stamps being the most loathed.
What is:

-Section 8 Housing
-Section 8 Interference
-TANF
-EBT

Define these terms and attribute the exact percentage of the budget please.
 
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What the hell are you talking about? These welfare bums are a trillion dollar a year drain on the economy. I'd say 20 percent, federal and state, is what pisses Whites off. Section 8/housing interference, TANF/welfare checks and EBT/food stamps being the most loathed.


Speak for yourself.

Most people who depend on welfare are White and live in suburbs or rural areas.
 

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Here are the definitions:

A welfare program is one that takes from those who have and gives it directly to those who don't, for no reason and under the guise of no other excuse.

An entitlement program is the government taking from one person and giving it to another, directly or indirectly (directly meaning just giving them the money, indirectly meaning giving it in the form of some service or good paid for by taxpayers) for whatever reason except as direct and fair compensation for services rendered.

So government employees are not automatically the beneficiaries of entitlement programs, as long as their compensation is fair, and by fair in this case I mean at market value. This is often not the case, a lot of government employees are grossly overpaid. Also, just because the employees of an agency aren't the beneficiaries, doesn't mean that agency isn't an entitlement program.

All government programs and agencies are entitlement programs, except the ones that are exclusively tasked with national defense and non-regulatory law enforcement. Regulatory laws are usually aimed at giving people undue privileges and/or power over businesses. Those privileges can be used to gain material value from businesses, and therefor the agencies and courts that enforce such regulations are entitlement programs as well.

P.S. a non-regulatory law is one that punishes criminals, or empowers the Police to stop criminals in the act; a regulatory law is one that imposes some restriction or obligation on innocent citizens, under the pretense of preventing them from committing future crimes;
 

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A welfare program is one that takes from those who have and gives it directly to those who don't, for no reason and under the guise of no other excuse.

An entitlement program is the government taking from one person and giving it to another, directly or indirectly (directly meaning just giving them the money, indirectly meaning giving it in the form of some service or good paid for by taxpayers) for whatever reason except as direct and fair compensation for services rendered.
So we have no welfare programs and infrastructure development is really entitlement programs? Nice!
 

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So we have no welfare programs and infrastructure development is really entitlement programs? Nice!
No, that's not it. Unsurprisingly, you still haven't learned your native tongue.
 

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Speak for yourself.

Most people who depend on welfare are White and live in suburbs or rural areas.
That's not actually true, although whites do make up a large percentage, which makes it so laughable when idiots try to start conversations like this by calling the other side "racist". Unfortunately Neckbeard fell victim to mills' race baiting.
 

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Here are the definitions:

A welfare program is one that takes from those who have and gives it directly to those who don't, for no reason and under the guise of no other excuse.

An entitlement program is the government taking from one person and giving it to another, directly or indirectly (directly meaning just giving them the money, indirectly meaning giving it in the form of some service or good paid for by taxpayers) for whatever reason except as direct and fair compensation for services rendered.
These definitions are bad and you should feel bad for posting them.
 

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Speak for yourself.

Most people who depend on welfare are White and live in suburbs or rural areas.
That is simply not true and hasn't been true for about 15 years now. A majority of means-tested welfare users are non-Whites with the races most likely to use them being Black and Hispanic.
Even as a percentage of total use there are more Blacks using welfare than Whites despite being 1/5th the size of the White population.





Here is a site using Department of Health and Human Services and Department of Commerce stats current up to October 15, 2012.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %
 

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What does that term mean to you? Would you mind informing me why you're throwing it around as if people OUGHT to damn well know what it means?
 

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You have to make less than a certain level of money per month and have less than a certain level of assets. If you make 25 grand a year, have a car and some other goodies there are many forms, but not the entirety, of the means-tested welfare cut off to you.

Means is used to signify the wealth of somebody and not the mathematical term of "mean." It is Ye Oldy Tyme way to talk about how much money somebody has. You know, "He was a man of very low means and consequently drank malt liquor. The other man was a man of considerable and great means so he drank fine champagne."
 

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You have to make less than a certain level of money per month and have less than a certain level of assets. If you make 25 grand a year, have a car and some other goodies there are many forms, but not the entirety, of the means-tested welfare cut off to you.

Means is used to signify the wealth of somebody and not the mathematical term of "mean." It is Ye Oldy Tyme way to talk about how much money somebody has. You know, "He was a man of very low means and consequently drank malt liquor. The other man was a man of considerable and great means so he drank fine champagne."
And if you are of champagne means it meant you could own those of low, malt liquor means. It was a very good system.
 

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You have to make less than a certain level of money per month and have less than a certain level of assets. If you make 25 grand a year, have a car and some other goodies there are many forms, but not the entirety, of the means-tested welfare cut off to you.

Means is used to signify the wealth of somebody and not the mathematical term of "mean." It is Ye Oldy Tyme way to talk about how much money somebody has. You know, "He was a man of very low means and consequently drank malt liquor. The other man was a man of considerable and great means so he drank fine champagne."
Welp.




We're throwing out your shitty system.





Next.
 

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Well, that was only for the people of very fine means. People of whiskey means had to settle for keeping the people of malt liquor means away from drinking apparatuses.
 

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Hey now, I'm a person of very, very high level whiskey means.


Do I got a shot of ever crackin' one of those blue Johnny bo'les open?
 

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Speak for yourself.

Most people who depend on welfare are White and live in suburbs or rural areas.
I'm curious... when your racial delusions are shattered by the facts... as has happened repeatedly here as we've all seen, does any of it actually "sink in"?

Do you go forward with a clearer understanding of reality, or does it just roll right off you like water off a duck's back?

Like before when we educated you with the simple demographic/mathematical facts that Blacks = Crime and More Blacks = More Crime... I noticed that you never bothered to dispute or even respond when you were presented with that reality.

So... did it "sink in"? Does it ever "sink in"? Or are you like an unsinkable rubber duck, and you'll just keep bobbing to the surface with your pet delusions and prejudices intact no matter how much reality deluges down upon you?
 

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Okay... HHD's deafening silence has pretty much answered the questions I put to him above.

None of it sinks in, and he's unsinkable.