Discussion in 'Movies & TV' started by BIV, Sep 3, 2013.
Only vaguely remember the movie, but now I want to watch it again.
HBO's Westworld adds cast
HBO’s Westworld is adding some intriguing new roles. The sci-fi drama has cast four actors on the show. Westworld is adding Clifton Collins, Jr. (Pacific Rim), Eion Bailey (Fight Club), Jimmi Simpson (House of Cards) and Danish actress Sidse Babbett Knudsen (Almost Perfect).
Eion Bailey, Jimmi Simpson, Clifton Collins, Jr, and Sidse Babbett Knudsen.
The news comes after actress Miranda Otto departed the project. The Lord of the Rings actress was part of the show’s star-filled pilot, but quietly left the series as producers re-conceived the role. She’s since landed a role in the upcoming fifth season of Showtime’s Homeland.
Interestingly, two of the new character descriptions strongly resemble the original 1973 Westworld film’s protagonists. Here are the official new character descriptions:
Eion Bailey as Logan, a “louche bachelor and veteran Westworld guest. His hedonistic romp through Westworld is equally motivated by self-indulgence and a desire to help his friend, William.”
Jimmi Simpson as William, a “reluctant first time visitor to Westworld, joining his friend, Logan. Initially dismissive of the park’s more lascivious attractions, he slowly uncovers a deeper meaning to the park’s narrative.”
Clifton Collins, Jr. as Lawrence, a “charming but lethal outlaw, with a knack for maneuvering and negotiating the various criminal elements of Westworld.”
Sidse Babbett Knudsen as Theresa Cullen, “Westworld’s terse operations leader, responsible for keeping the park from sliding into unscripted chaos.” This replaces the role that Otto originally played in the pilot.
Westworld stars James Marsden, Evan Rachel Wood, Thandie Newton, Anthony Hopkins, Jeffrey Wright and Ed Harris in the series version of Michael Crichton’s techno-thriller about androids run amok at a fantasy-fulfilling theme park. The show is planned for 2016, and executive producer Jonathan Nolan screened the trailer at Comic-Con.
Pretty excited for this!
Amazing cast. And adding Jimmi Simpson can only make it better. I love that guy.
I'm especially thrilled to see Norwegian lovely Ingrid Bolso Berdal in a major role. She's an incredible actress.
She looks bad-ass in this. I can't tell if that's tattooing on her face or scarring.
i loved the original movie
Since it's about Androids I'm guessing it's some melted synthetic plastic material. It doesn't look like any kind of Tattoo to me, unless Rorschach patterns have become popular in the future.
Me too. Yule Brynner was perfect for that part.
Looking forward to checking this out.
Bump. Weird story about this show and more proof of something I always say - that HBO is annoyingly obsessed with sex in its programming.
Sexually Explicit Casting Contract for HBO's 'Westworld' Extras Has SAG-AFTRA Concerned
The 2016 Westworld, described as "a dark odyssey about the dawn of artificial consciousness and the future of sin," is inspired by the eponymous 1973 Michael Crichton film that starred Yul Brynner and is produced by J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot Productions, Jerry Weintraub Productions and Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy’s Kilter Films in association with Warner Bros. Television. The star-studded cast includes Anthony Hopkins, Ed Harris,Evan Rachel Wood, James Marsden, Thandie Newton and Jeffrey Wright.
A SAG-AFTRA member alert advises background performers that they have the right to withdraw consent at any time except as to scenes already shot, and that the set must be closed and still photography prohibited without the actor’s consent. The shoot takes place Wednesday, and a SAG-AFTRA representative will be at or near the set. The guild only tends to send member alerts when it is concerned.
Those protections only apply to union extras who are the first 19 on a television show. They’re usually referred to as "covered background performers," though in this case it seems that they’ll be covered by almost nothing except the union agreement.
The consent form is on Central Casting letterhead and includes a logo that indicates the company was established in 1925, about a decade before SAG itself. The form is no doubt of more recent vintage and would not have been necessary in a pre-union era when movie companies were free to demand table-like nude contortions with abandon.
But today, the union agreement requires that producers obtain the performer’s advance written consent to nudity and sex acts, so the attorney who dutifully drafted the unusual form was apparently simply following the rules. The result, more risque than the usual boilerplate waivers, was probably not just another day at the office for its creator.
I'm sure in their minds, if they drop the sex, they drop part of what sets their shows apart from some of the grittier shows that are on Cable such as Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, Walking Dead, etc. Their shows have always been about pushing the boundaries of traditional TV. It's just not as simple as having a little graphic violence and some cussing anymore. And it's not just HBO, all the pay cable networks have gratuitous nudity and sex in the majority of their shows.
In this particular show, I don't know that it's necessarily gratuitous.
It becomes meta-gratuitous when they do it in every show, so that even if it ends up making sense here and there, hearing that a new HBO show will be "sexually bold" makes me groan and roll my eyes. I just think the internet has rendered the concept of sex as a bold thing to do obsolete. That doesn't mean sex and nudity should go away, but why does Westworld need painted genitalia, full frontal kinky scenes in it? It's a science fiction franchise about a crazy theme park. I mean, I guess they could make it work (again, I have a lot of faith in Jonathan Nolan), but at this point news like this makes me less interested, not more.
How much of that form is CYA stuff? There may be some of those elements in many different plot ideas they have and just want to cover all bases for permissions.
Personally, I'm tired of our non-internet entertainment getting progressively more sexually prude. I applaud HBO for keeping the pedal to the metal. If a scene can be played two ways, always err on the side of explicit. Most likely it'll be more true to life.
I get your overall point/commentary on pay cable's obsession with boobs, and that's certainly the case with Game of Thrones, Spartacus, Strike Back, Banshee, True Blood, and others. I'm just not sure that criticism applies here. My understanding is that the crazy theme park allows people to pay to do anything they wanted with androids, including humping them. In that case, the nudity and degrading scenes are even more critical, as you have to establish how deplorable and dehumanizing the treatment of the androids is, and also how disgusting people would be if they were allowed to literally do "anything" with no repercussions. 'What if **** and murder were legal" type of philosophical stuff. Challenging concepts that HBO and other pay networks are made to explore.
I'll keep going back to Game of Thrones, which is based on very non-sexual source material. As a fan of the books, it felt entirely gratuitous. I get that they made a stylistic choice, but something about a medieval feudal religiously adherent society being also the setting for crazy amounts of open gratuitous sex just felt odd and faux edgy.
Which is why I said that (especially considering who is writing it) this could definitely work, but that at this point I tend to be pessimistic until proven otherwise as opposed to the other way around, where back in the day having something very sexual and violent on TV was exciting.
It depends on how it's used. Like I said, the sex should be presented as deplorable and dehumanizing. If it's presented in a titillating way then they missed the entire point and you're right, are just going for cheap thrills. I read this and think "Oh good, they're really going to go there and hold a mirror to humanity's darkest desires and perversions." But it could easily devolve into "obligatory tits of the week"
I think you remember the source material a bit differently than I do. There was tons of sexuality, especially around the Lannisters and Daenerys. Hell, from the third book on Daenerys never covers her tits.Tyrion was constantly whoring. All of the Red Lady's (I can't remember her name) clothes were transparent. Sansa had her shirt ripped off in the courtyard, a scene they actually toned down for the show.
HBO- We Love Fucking.
All kidding aside, its when you show the nudity and/or sex scene that makes it feel gratuitous or not. If you have a sex scene in the beginning of show's season when the storyline is just beginning, then by all means hump away.
But if you keep falling back on them as the storyline progresses and especially as you head towards the season finale, then the scenes can come off as being a bit gratuitous. It could also feel like you're using them as a crutch to help support a weak story.
You are missing the context, though - those things were all illicit and hidden. The Daenerys exposed breast thing is deliberately played as a bizarre foreign practice that she clearly views as odd coming from a more puritanical society. The whoring is mentioned a lot but "shown" little. Again, we are talking about a society that views stuff like incest and infidelity as unforgivable crimes. I'm not saying that it should have been removed altogether. Far from it. But having that shit every single week and just constantly showing it completely devalued it as something with any kind of bite. All of a sudden the Sparrows and their aversion to sex seems like it came out of nowhere, when in the books the Sparrow movement was basically the same religion not giving high born people a pass on their religious transgressions. The show took that content way way too far IMO.
For realz. I love pornography. Perhaps unhealthly so. However I can tell a channel force feeds sex and gay plotlines into a story too reach some sort of quota.
It's kind of like Walking Dead. I remember people complaining that because it's on basic cable a certain character or characters (Guv'nor?) couldn't be as brutal as in the comics. But I felt, if the character/story is interesting enough, the gore shouldn't matter.
That being said, I would not be opposed going genital to genital with Robo Wood, Woodward, or O'Poyle. Even Hopkins out of respect.
Her too. She was the stand out in Herccyles.
I'd go so far as to say she was the only reason to see that piece of shit. That was the only reason I saw it, anyway.
She's awesome in a tight medieval chase thriller called ESCAPE (FLUKT).
As often as I see him in other roles, I still see him as adult Mike Mageau from the end of Zodiac.
Or as 'Jackal Onassis' in PARTY DOWN.