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What The 2012 Election Would Have Looked Like Without Universal Suffrage

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  1. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    President Barack Obama has been elected twice by a coalition that reflects the diversity of America. Republicans have struggled to win with ever-higher percentages of the shrinking share of the population that is white men — "a Mad Men party in a Modern Family world," in the words of one strategist.
    But at America's founding, only white men could vote, and the franchise has only slowly expanded to include people of color, women, and — during the Vietnam War — people under 21. These maps show how American politics would have looked in that undemocratic past.


    Map 1: 1850

    Before 1870, only white men could vote. Here's how the election would have looked before the 15th Amendment.
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    Map 2: 1870

    From 1870 to 1920, only men could vote. Under that scenario, the electoral map would have looked something like this.
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    Map 3: 1920

    While women's suffrage passed in 1920, there were still huge impediments to minorities to vote during that period, for instance in the form of poll taxes (only finally outlawed by the 24th Amendment in 1964). So here's a version of the map that shows only white voters, men and women.
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    Map 4: 1970

    After the voting age was lowered to 18 in 1971, young voters became a much more important part of the electorate. This map shows the 2012 results just among voters older than 24.
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    Map 5: The Actual Election

    And here's how 2012 actually played out.

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    I figure this thread will lead to some calm and collected discussions regarding America's diversity and relative freedom of our election laws. But I found it interesting anyway.
     
  2. whiskeyguy

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    So... it would have looked better?:action-sm

    At least we now know which minorities to blame when Obama further screws up this country.
     
  3. Neckbeard

    Neckbeard I'm Team Piggy!

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    Look what happened as America expand the franchise to the young, women and non-Whites. They just want a giant Mommy and Daddy government to steal money from the Malevolent Patriarchy Hate Machine of "rich" White men and turn the stolen loot into goodies for them with "rich" being defined as "Anybody making more money than I do."

    I would do it this way:
    Voting Age=25
    Must pass the citizenship test
    Anybody collecting means-tested welfare is disqualified so long as they receive it
    200 dollar tax to vote

    Lets get the more mature, educated people going on who know something about the political process, will not simply just vote themselves goodies at the expense of the producers in society and care enough about voting to pay a tax to do so.
     
  4. LiddyRules

    LiddyRules I'm Gonna Be The Bestest Pilot In The Whole Galaxy

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    That plan would surely inspire faith and trust in one's government and not at all lead us further into the mess we're in now. Because how better to eliminate the specter of a malevolent patriarchy hate machine than make it a stronger, more malevolent, more patriarchichal hate machine.
     
  5. Absolutely

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    Your reason will not play well here
     
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    Can't be any worse than the reasoning that got us here in the 1st place.
     
  7. Don the Radio Guy

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    Young people, women and minorities like free shit. No surprise there.
     
  8. LiddyRules

    LiddyRules I'm Gonna Be The Bestest Pilot In The Whole Galaxy

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    Right. Because white adult males don't like free shit? I mean I know that when I see something that's 2 for 1, I pay twice as much for the 1 then put it back. Because I'm noble.

    I see someone giving out free samples and I slap them. Then I give them $50.
     
  9. Norm Stansfield

    Norm Stansfield 私は亀が好きだ。

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    Right. The fact that the Republican agenda is opposed to drug legalization, abortion rights and free immigration has nothing to do with it. They just all like free shit.
     
  10. Don the Radio Guy

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    1. The democrats are against drug legalization.
    2. Abortion rights isn't the issue with women. They were scared into thinking they'd lose birth control pills, and promised free birth control. Free shit.
    3. You have a point on immigration, but what do they do when they get here? Sign up for entitlements.

    Everything boils down to free shit. We've become a parasite society.
     
  11. Norm Stansfield

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    Good one.
     
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    LiddyRules I'm Gonna Be The Bestest Pilot In The Whole Galaxy

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    Not all Democrats. But I know that you have difficulty believing that individual Democrats may vote differently with the rest of the party. Also, doesn't Democrats being anti-drug legislation mean its a push?

    Well, every woman I know based their vote because they believed they were going to get free abortions and condoms apparently. Every single one. It's remarkable!

    I know "free shit" is your new talking point/catch phrase (who remembers "welfare is the new slavery"?), but basing your grandstanding on some concept that real Americans don't like free shit is ridiculous.
     
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    Then how the hell have Republicans gotten elected in the past?

    The official position of the democrat party is not to legalize drugs. The present regime has thrown more non-violent drug offenders in prison than anyone in history. They've threatened state officials who try to LEGALLY enforce legal marijuana laws.

    The ones that voted for Obama did. Or free healthcare. There's only one reason to vote for these jokers. They've promised to take from those who produce and give it to those who don't.

    Everyone likes free shit. Some of us realize it isn't really free.
     
  14. LiddyRules

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    Yes. That doesn't mean the Republicans are better. It means its push. Also, despite the truth behind it, with their "youth" focus, they can do a better job at making it seem (in other words, lying) that they are more pro-drug.

    Yeah. I don't think you actually talk to women. And reading a liberal blog written by a woman is not the same as actually talking to a woman.

    Wow. Deep. Now I love the talking point.
     
  15. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    Don must have been a miserable child on Christmas morning.
     
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    We sure do. Difference is we don't expect it.

    If I get some fine, but I am willing for work for what I have.

    I'm just tired of working to support those that don't want to work.
     
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    Just curious, but you do realize that senior citizens are some of the biggest government leeches around? I guess they vote straight Republican so we can't criticize their gibsmedat attitude, right?
     
  18. Party Rooster

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    His father told him that if he just worked a little harder, eventually he could turn that lump of coal into a diamond.
     
  19. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    I'm thinking his father handed him the bill for all of the neighbor's new toys.
     
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    I must be spending too much time on Wackbag lately. I just reread my "coal" post thinking it was something that Liddy wrote.
     
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    Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha!
     
  22. Neckbeard

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    What? Nothing about this mentions race or gender

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    Pass the citizenship test
    Pay a tax
    Cannot be a collector of means tested welfare.

    I think right now we have a completely unworkable situation where young and old alike vote on how many goodies they think they can retain or receive. That is the overriding if not sole concern of your typical parasite voter: "How many goodies can I vote for myself?"

    The situation has flipped. More people get money than put in. A trillion dollar a year state and federal welfare program means we are very close to a full bore Socialistic welfare nation with a guaranteed income. Eventually people will want their loans paid off. The parasite party has a fuckin' Hell of a bill to pay and mess to clean up.

    Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Gary Johnson, guys like that have the situation nailed. We're too far gone. Realistically, we probably went off the fiscal cliff ten years ago with 4 trillion or so in federal debt and Bush+Obama dropped an atomic and then a hydrogen debt bomb on the people who fell off the fiscal cliff. The reckoning, the squaring of the debts, comes in about 3 years. We'll have 20 trillion just in federal debt and the people who own the debt won't be satisfied with 1 percent and change interest rates.
     
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    If the Republicans had their hands in creating the citizenship test, I can only imagine some of the questions

    USAmerica was founded by:
    A) Christopher Columbus
    B) George Washington
    C) The Pilgrims
    D) Jesus

    The Second Amendment to the Constitution protects my right to buy as many of these as possible
    A) Guns
    B) Guns
    C) Guns
    D) Guns

    Black people were freed by
    A) Jesus
    B) Martin Luther King Jr.
    C) B. Hussien Obama
    D) Rosa Parks

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    Because the issue didn't matter as much (Republicans' focus on vilifying immigrants and abortion are relatively new), and because immigrants had fewer supporters. But that has changed. Winning the one demographic Republicans aim for (whites) is no longer going to work, they'll have to make some concessions on issues other demographics base their vote on.

    These are questions asked in various polls this year:

    Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances?
    Yes:
    Women 39
    Men 31

    Which of these comes closest to your view? 1. Abortion should be generally available to
    those who want it; OR 2. Abortion should be made available but under stricter limits than
    it is now; OR 3. Abortion should not be permitted?
    1. Women 46 Men 38
    2. Women 33 Men 38
    3. Women 19 Men 21


    As you may know, the Obama administration has announced a new policy in which young
    illegal immigrants who came to the country as children will be able to obtain work permits
    and will not face deportation. Do you support or oppose this new policy?
    Support:
    Women 59
    Men 50

    That's not the only reason why Romney lost the female vote, but that's at least half of the 20 point gender gap. These polls don't even reflect the fact that women feel more strongly about the issue of abortion and are more likely to base their vote on it.
     
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    So the fact that all Republican candidates are anti-abortion, opposed to citizenship for illegals, against gay marriage, and in general pushing Christian morality, is a pure coincidence.

    We should be having an openly atheist Republican candidate who's gay married to an illegal immigrant named Pedro any day now, because none of those issues matter. As long as Pedro was holding down his hair stylist job and not on welfare, that guy would be perfectly acceptable for Republicans, right?
     
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