WWE February Elimination Chamber Thread

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Will Elimination Chamber Change Mania?
Will Brock Be Involved In EC PPV?
Will Ratings Stay High?
Will We See The Shield Do More Than Run-Ins & Actually Get Character Development?

All this & more in the Feb 2013 Thread
 

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Bret being Bret

Says HHH never had a great match
He basically said same about Flair years ago too

I like Bret and all but he comes across foolish a lot

Hell Hunter had better matches with Taker & just as good with HBK


 

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Bret being Bret

Says HHH never had a great match
vs. Cactus Jack - Royal Rumble 2000

vs. Shawn Michaels - SummerSlam 2002

vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit - WrestleMania XX
 

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vs. Cactus Jack - Royal Rumble 2000

vs. Shawn Michaels - SummerSlam 2002

vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit - WrestleMania XX
Plus the two recent Taker matches, the many he had with Rock during the "era" & carrying Batista at Mania
 

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To answer the questions:

No
Yes
No
No

All because Vince hates the audience and creative sucks.
 
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Bret being Bret

Says HHH never had a great match
He basically said same about Flair years ago too

I like Bret and all but he comes across foolish a lot

Hell Hunter had better matches with Taker & just as good with HBK



Bret is very full of himself and probably still bitter over being "screwed" despite his claims of having moved on from it. Either that or he's never actually seen any of HHH's matches and is basing his opinion off of what he reads on the Internet from people who think HHH sucked and held others down (despite having put over way more guys than other people in his position ever would--and he was sometimes criticized for putting those guys over by those same idiot smarks). If given a choice of seeing Bret or HHH face the same opponent, I'd choose HHH 9 times out of 10. Not that Bret didn't have any great matches either, but HHH was just able to put interesting matches together and was much better than some people give him credit for.
 
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Will Elimination Chamber Change Mania?
Will Brock Be Involved In EC PPV?
Will Ratings Stay High?
Will We See The Shield Do More Than Run-Ins & Actually Get Character Development?

All this & more in the Feb 2013 Thread
Probably (just because the World Heavyweight Title match hasn't been announced yet and probably won't be until after the PPV)
Yes
Yes
Maybe, but probably only for 2 of them if the answer is Yes (the Rock's cousin--or whatever he is--seems like he's best suited to be the silent muscle while the other 2 seem to have personality that can easily develop into more than what they've been doing so far)
 

UCJOE

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This is great for NXT guys
They can learn how to close a bar, squander millions & get divorced over & over

Ric Flair will be appearing at the NXT show on 2/24 in Melbourne, FL.

;)
 

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How can you say Triple H never had a great match? Every single PPV match in 2000 was good to superb.
His run gets screwed over because he was sharing the ring with so much excellence. People just act like
you could plug anybody into a Cactus Jack or Benoit/Michaels Triple Threat and it would have been
"just as good or even better." Such crap.

The Triple H/Cactus Jack matches are some of if not the best hardcore matches WWE ever had.
Triple H/Rock Iron Man Match is great, one of the best ever. The last 2 matches The Rock had
might have confused you but this guy did 30+ hardcore matches all the time and good ones, too.
Benoit/Triple H/Michaels is the best Triple Threat this company ever had.
Both of the Taker streak matches are really good.

If you take Bret's top 10 and Triple H's top 10, they wind up being pretty comparable.
 

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This is great for NXT guys
They can learn how to close a bar, squander millions & get divorced over & over
They can also learn how to streak on an airplane and fire future wrestling megastars.
 

UCJOE

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If you take Bret's top 10 and Triple H's top 10, they wind up being pretty comparable.
The best way to judge is mutual opponents

HHH vs Taker (all 3) were better than Hart/Taker
HHH/HBK was as good as Hart/HBK
Hart/SCSA I will give to Hart but HHH had great matches with him too

Hart gets petty that way. He see's everyone going on about Hunter/Taker & gets jealous
Add in the fact that now Ric Flair (Hunters buddy) is back & is now going to be the "go to legend" & the "Canadian Mark" comes out
 

UCJOE

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WWE finally gets a great tag team & they break them up



:eek:
 

UCJOE

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Reminds me of what happened to Steve Austin and Brian Pillman in WCW.

Its amazing, every time they seem like they start pushing tag teams they fuck it up

They have another great team with The Prime-time Players & nothing happened once they started getting a buzz

Vince rather have a bunch of mediocre opening singles that a quality tag division
 

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Its amazing, every time they seem like they start pushing tag teams they fuck it up

They have another great team with The Prime-time Players & nothing happened once they started getting a buzz

Vince rather have a bunch of mediocre opening singles that a quality tag division
The tag team division will never be as good as it was in 2000.
 

UCJOE

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The tag team division will never be as good as it was in 2000.
It won't because they never bother trying

They have/had a great potentil
Kane/DB
PTP
Rhodes Scholars
Rey/Sin

That is a pretty deep start
Add in The Shield & the potential was there
 

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It won't because they never bother trying

They have/had a great potentil
Kane/DB
PTP
Rhodes Scholars
Rey/Sin

That is a pretty deep start
Add in The Shield & the potential was there
Not to go back to blowing Paul Heyman's legacy again, but it's amazing how well he made a small tag team division work and how awful and shallow WWE's looks by comparison with an equal or larger size.
 

UCJOE

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Not to go back to blowing Paul Heyman's legacy again, but it's amazing how well he made a small tag team division work and how awful and shallow WWE's looks by comparison with an equal or larger size.
Amazing right?

That is 5 QUALITY tag teams right there & they do shit with it

Now they break up one & the other Kane/DB is on its way & Rey/Sin Cara seem planned for Mania

Such bullshit by "The Genius" & I don't mean Poffo .................... ;)
 

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I'm not one on the blame Vince for everything wagon, but it's well known he has always hated tag teams. Remember Bret even saying so in an interview.
 

UCJOE

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I'm not one on the blame Vince for everything wagon, but it's well known he has always hated tag teams. Remember Bret even saying so in an interview.
DTT
Vince makes the final call on all things & with that comes blame & glory
He deserves both, but its time he stepped aside
Lets see what HHH can do without him over his shoulder & knowing that Vince has to be pleased by every move
He might be the same, worse or better (he was schooled by Vince & seems as stubborn) but it has to happen while Hunter still has the pulse of the fans & that is something Vince hasn't had for at least 15 years

if Vince wasn't stubborn, he could have let Heyman have a real run with creative & see what happened
 

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Shane hated them, too. Whether they were organic or put together.
Paul London and Brian Kendricks met Shane McMahon at company headquarters and all the
heavy hitter guys and most of the people who were ever in the company had their pictures up.
So they asked Shane...
"Hey, isn't it kind of an oversight that this place doesn't have pictures of tag teams up?"
And he said "Tag teams don't draw. I haven't cared about a tag team since Legion of Doom."

Bullcrap. In the AE I LOVED the WWE's tag teams. They blew WCW out of the water on 'em and it was one of my big reasons
for going over to WWE.

The company clearly feels the same way about anything even approximating something they can dismiss as "niche" like Cruiserweight wrestling, women's wrestling, etc.

It is this self-fulfilling prophecy where they say these guys didn't draw and can't draw so they write and book them in a way where it would be impossible for them to draw and then they don't.

I mean, it obviously isn't true. I watched WCW for the Cruiserweights. I was dissastified with WWE in 2009 and 2010 and I got turned on to Chikara and Ring of Honor for the tag team and team matches.
I watch TNA for Knockouts Division and X Division plenty of times.

I might not have ever even watched a second of their competition if they were well-rounded enough.

Even in their own history they have tons of "draws" but they happened in spite of the company and not because of it. So, Trish and Rey and Hardy Boyz never drew? Come on, now.
 

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Women and cruiserweights don't draw. Tag teams could if done right.

Rey drew Mexicans. Which is why he was elevated over the cruiserweight level.
 

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Adrian Neville and El Generico will draw money to Vince like shit draws flies.

This company has tons of guys they could use appropriately as cruiserweights and
they just die on the vine. 10 people on the roster could have all been draws as cruiserweights
off their wrestling if it was booked right and instead they are just jobbers and deadweight doing
absolutely nothing.

Every time Tyson Kidd was in the ring lately he shined. I know CM Punk was just jerking people off
as part of character with the whole "Oh, look at my cult. I'll say push Tyson and they'll all cry about Tyson."
But seriously. He could have made money as a cruiserweight.
 

UCJOE

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Women and cruiserweights don't draw. Tag teams could if done right.

Rey drew Mexicans. Which is why he was elevated over the cruiserweight level.
I disagree
Woman were the biggest quarter hour draws for TNA & so was the "x-division"
WCW had a great cruiser division

It all comes down to booking & perception
If booked right a female could draw IF they gave the perception it meant something
Same with cruisers & tags
Just bc Vince gives off the perception that these things will never be important that does not mean they cannot be

They did some really good female numbers in the "era", so much so they were almost going to do an all Diva's show
 

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Pigeonholing small guys as cruiserweights isn't good. Just build them from the bottom of the card up. One thing Nitro did right was use the first hour to showcase bottom of the card guys regardless of size. Good talent will shine if they have personality. But just putting generic little guys who do nothing but high spots never works on a mass market program.