WWE October 2008 Thread

Jimmy's Dignity

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Well...for a change we've got some serious stuff going on with Cena tearing his pectoral a la Edge and Save_us.222

Is it Chris Jericho?
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Is it Shawn Michaels?
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Then we've got the stellar drama of Smackdown with Teddy Long suffering a Viagra-induced heart attack and Vickie Guerrero taking over to make life hell for Eddie Guerrero Jr (aka Rey Mysterio) and feeding him to The Great Khali :icon_roll :yuck2: :yuck2:

And over on ECW, CM Punk is enjoying his first title reign...tonight we see Tommy Dreamer vs. Elijah Burke in the final match of the Elimination Chase to find out who Punk fights at No Mercy.

Aaaaaand don't forget, the suspensions all are ending, so we get back such greats as Mr. Kennedy et al.
 

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I don't think they'd do such a big thing about Michaels, but it adds another wrinkle.
 

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I'd like to see a tournament at No Mercy. There are only a few matches booked for the show anyway. I can only see one more match from SmackDown being added (MVP/Hardy, unless they're saving it), so that's 6 matches, including the WWE Title, a likely short Women's match and the Punjabi Prison which shouldn't go longer than 10 minutes.

Make Triple H/Umaga a tournament match, put Orton in there against Kennedy, make Hardy/Benjamin an IC Title match and a tourney match and give Carlito a bye for being Vince's lackey.

Triple H v. Umaga
Carlito Bye
Orton v. Kennedy
Hardy v. Benjamin

Triple H v. Carlito
Orton v. Hardy

Triple H v. Hardy

And I'd have Triple H win in a very close face v. face match where they both look good. I don't like Triple H with the belt, but it's better than Orton. Of course this is very unlikely, especially the part about Triple H letting somebody lower on the card look good.
 

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I'd like to see a tournament at No Mercy. There are only a few matches booked for the show anyway. I can only see one more match from SmackDown being added (MVP/Hardy, unless they're saving it), so that's 6 matches, including the WWE Title, a likely short Women's match and the Punjabi Prison which shouldn't go longer than 10 minutes.

Make Triple H/Umaga a tournament match, put Orton in there against Kennedy, make Hardy/Benjamin an IC Title match and a tourney match and give Carlito a bye for being Vince's lackey.

Triple H v. Umaga
Carlito Bye
Orton v. Kennedy
Hardy v. Benjamin

Triple H v. Carlito
Orton v. Hardy

Triple H v. Hardy

And I'd have Triple H win in a very close face v. face match where they both look good. I don't like Triple H with the belt, but it's better than Orton. Of course this is very unlikely, especially the part about Triple H letting somebody lower on the card look good.
I like the tournament idea. Don't know if they would do it just as a reaction since I think they would do the build up before hand, but maybe they feel that Cena off the card warrants such a drastic move.

I would hope that they save MVP/Hardy for a later date and keep it building a little longer. It is probably the only angle on Smackdown that I remind myself to watch for.

I like your tournament matches but I don't think there is anyway that Orton doesn't wrestle for the title. It sucks because I despise his mere existence but its the truth. Also, I disagree with you about Triple H to an extent. A few years back he would have gladly made Hardy look really good. He did it for Benjamin, hell he even did it to a degree with Eugene. But now that he is coming back from injury and seems hellbent on making himself the focus entirely I think you are right.

Whatever happens, my mantra will be "Anybody but Orton".
 
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Has anyone ever figured out why a kick to the head is so much more devastating than a ddt, or death valley driver, or even a clothesline from hell?

Orton's kicks are about as impressive at the Garvin Stomp.
 

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Who would you like to see walk away from the WWE Championship Match at No Mercy as the new champ?

Mr. Kennedy 12.54 %

Triple H 16.74 %

Val Venis 46.07 %

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Yeah, because he never put over Jeff Hardy or Shelton Benjamin or let Tajiri kick the crap out of him on Raw. But when he did those things, peopel bitched that putting those guys over at that time made other guys at the top of the card look bad in comparison for not beating him.

And I'd have Triple H win in a very close face v. face match where they both look good. I don't like Triple H with the belt, but it's better than Orton. Of course this is very unlikely, especially the part about Triple H letting somebody lower on the card look good.
 

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Has anyone ever figured out why a kick to the head is so much more devastating than a ddt, or death valley driver, or even a clothesline from hell?

Orton's kicks are about as impressive at the Garvin Stomp.
How bout a thumb to the neck?
 

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Yeah, because he never put over Jeff Hardy or Shelton Benjamin or let Tajiri kick the crap out of him on Raw. But when he did those things, peopel bitched that putting those guys over at that time made other guys at the top of the card look bad in comparison for not beating him.
Sorry, that shit means nothing. He never loses or lets anybody look good when it matters. Once off stuff means nothing. He could lose to Shelton clean on RAW, but if in a week or two Shelton is wrestling against the Highlanders and Triple H is beating up Vince McMahon and 4 other people at a time, it doesn't mean a damn thing.

And that's how just about every single one of the times Triple H has "put someone over" has gone.

Sorry, you're wrong.
 

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Sorry, that shit means nothing. He never loses or lets anybody look good when it matters. Once off stuff means nothing. He could lose to Shelton clean on RAW, but if in a week or two Shelton is wrestling against the Highlanders and Triple H is beating up Vince McMahon and 4 other people at a time, it doesn't mean a damn thing.

And that's how just about every single one of the times Triple H has "put someone over" has gone.

Sorry, you're wrong.
Well, he did job in three straight Wrestlemania main events. That has to mean something.
 

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Going by the preview Vince is stripping Cena of the title on ECW Tonight because of the injury.
 
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When Jeff Hardy beat him, it was for the IC Title on Raw.

Shelton Benjamin pulling out upset wins over HHH helped jumpstart his singles push after he and Haas were broken up by the draft. Shelton went on to have a decent amount of success as a singles wrestler and 3 IC Title runs including an 8-month reign the first time he held the belt.

Sorry, that shit means nothing. He never loses or lets anybody look good when it matters. Once off stuff means nothing. He could lose to Shelton clean on RAW, but if in a week or two Shelton is wrestling against the Highlanders and Triple H is beating up Vince McMahon and 4 other people at a time, it doesn't mean a damn thing.

And that's how just about every single one of the times Triple H has "put someone over" has gone.

Sorry, you're wrong.
 

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Well, he did job in three straight Wrestlemania main events. That has to mean something.
Only 2005 to Batista, because he proceeded to lose to him clean twice more. And then Batista got lucky and was able to leave RAW and be away from Triple H.

2004 to Benoit meant nothing in the long run, because although Benoit got the title, the focus of RAW was on Triple H for the entire title reign anyway, and once Benoit lost the title, he went right back down to midcard hell.

2006 he lost to Cena, a guy who was already very well established as being THE guy and the top dog in the company. And after that, the WWE title took a backseat to DX.

So yeah, nobody can come up with a good argument of Triple H putting over a lot of people. There was Batista.

EDIT: Shelton's success was very short lived, and he was IC Champion long after the title meant anything. He languished in the division with nary a feud and ended up in the doldrums with his Mama.
 

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Only 2005 to Batista, because he proceeded to lose to him clean twice more. And then Batista got lucky and was able to leave RAW and be away from Triple H.

2004 to Benoit meant nothing in the long run, because although Benoit got the title, the focus of RAW was on Triple H for the entire title reign anyway, and once Benoit lost the title, he went right back down to midcard hell.

2006 he lost to Cena, a guy who was already very well established as being THE guy and the top dog in the company. And after that, the WWE title took a backseat to DX.

So yeah, nobody can come up with a good argument of Triple H putting over a lot of people. There was Batista.

EDIT: Shelton's success was very short lived, and he was IC Champion long after the title meant anything. He languished in the division with nary a feud and ended up in the doldrums with his Mama.
Seemed like general consensus going into 22 was that Triple H would win. The fact that Cena won shocked me at least.

I would hope that he would see given the current state of affairs in WWE that he will eventually need to start helping in building people that they will need to push.
 
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The IC Title didn't mean anything when he held it? He beat Jericho, Flair, and RVD for each of his 3 title wins. His first reign ended after 8 months with a loss to Carlito. His next reign started by ending a 5-month reign for Flair and ended with a loss to RVD, who he then beat to regain the title. It's not like he was the one who ended Albert's title reign.


Only 2005 to Batista, because he proceeded to lose to him clean twice more. And then Batista got lucky and was able to leave RAW and be away from Triple H.

2004 to Benoit meant nothing in the long run, because although Benoit got the title, the focus of RAW was on Triple H for the entire title reign anyway, and once Benoit lost the title, he went right back down to midcard hell.

2006 he lost to Cena, a guy who was already very well established as being THE guy and the top dog in the company. And after that, the WWE title took a backseat to DX.

So yeah, nobody can come up with a good argument of Triple H putting over a lot of people. There was Batista.

EDIT: Shelton's success was very short lived, and he was IC Champion long after the title meant anything. He languished in the division with nary a feud and ended up in the doldrums with his Mama.
 

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None of those people meant anything at the time. They didn't. Shelton didn't have a real feud with any of them, and he didn't have any meaningful built up title defenses.

I'm sorry, but you're not winning this one. The IC Title hasn't meant anything since well before Triple H beat Kane to unify them.
 

Jimmy's Dignity

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I wish they were doing this show up in NYC...and when you hear that Cena has to give up the belt...the pop would be HUGE


mad props to Cena for being able to finish that match with the torn pec though...good luck on the surgery & recovery John.
that being said.....

We're finally free of the yolk of his reign! Over in the Cena Injured thread someone pointed out that it was the longest reign since Hulk Hogan 1984-1988 :icon_eek: :icon_eek:


Stupid of Vince to not give us any inkling of the match on Sunday. I'm not going to buy a PPV w/o knowing what the main event is supposed to be. (Not like I was going to buy it anyways, but still)

I'm guessing Punk wouldn't be able to hit the GTS on Big Daddy V
 

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by the way, let me be the one to say, free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, we're free at last!!!
 

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You do realize that the odds are that you are going to get Orton as champion, don't you?

by the way, let me be the one to say, free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, we're free at last!!!
 

Jimmy's Dignity

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that was a good match between Knox & Punk...I like seeing Punk being able to hit the GTS on someone that big
 
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None of those guys meant anything at the time? He had no real feud with any of them? Then how do you explain the fact that Shelton and RVD had a PPV match putting RVD's Money in the Bank shot up against Benjamin's IC Title? RVD beat Cena for the WWE Title less than a month after Benjamin beat him to regain the IC Title. So a guy who was the WWE Champion a month later and had won a big WM Ladder Match earlier that year didn't mean anything at the time?

I get it, you hate HHH, but he's far from the biggest asshole to ever wrestle--and unlike Cena, the fans cheer him when he's supposed to be cheered and boo when he's supposed to be booed.
 

Jimmy's Dignity

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Tyson, I think he's saying that regardless of the importance of the match, if it involves the IC belt, it may as well involve Norman Smiley's Hardcore belt


Balz Mahoney - Kelly Kelly > 85% of all the writing throughout the rest of WWE programming. I wonder if this is going to wind up being a "Contract vs. Employment" match or something like that

I'm betting it's Elijah in a close match, with Punk retaining at No Mercy
 

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Tyson, I think he's saying that regardless of the importance of the match, if it involves the IC belt, it may as well involve Norman Smiley's Hardcore belt


Balz Mahoney - Kelly Kelly > 85% of all the writing throughout the rest of WWE programming
It's an angle that was pre-planned by Dusty Rhodes and left alone by everyone else . :icon_eek:

Hopefully someone learns a lesson from this, then again this is the WWE I highly doubt they will.

Nice match between Punk and Knox. I'm surprised they let Knox get so many moves in.