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Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare...

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by VMS, Aug 11, 2011.

  1. VMS

    VMS Victim of high standards and low personal skills.

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    Max Hastings isn't some knee-jerk "kill the poor" monster-conservative: he's a highly respected historian. OTOH, his attitude has a very large dose of the kind of paternalism he's criticizing here, but he makes some very good points...
     
  2. Owenay

    Owenay Those who fail to learn from history are doomed...

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    Great article, I've been forcing it on people on FB ever since I read it yesterday.
     
  3. OAarchive

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    It really is sad watching our society slowly crumble. And it enraging watching the left fight tooth in nail for the support of these people and enabling their pointless lives under the guise of helping the unfortunate.

    :arrrh:
     
  4. VMS

    VMS Victim of high standards and low personal skills.

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    It's really simple: when given the choice, the vast majority of people will go the easy way. It's just that "the easy way" isn't always easy to define.

    If you have good parents, in a good society, the easy way is to work hard and to produce. Oh, you're going to spend more time working than you would by being a lazy lump, but being a lazy lump would mean losing the esteem of your friends, your family, your social circle. It's easier to work your ass off than to be seen as a lazy lump by those people.

    But when there is no shame in being on welfare, when there's no shame in being the third, fourth, fifth generation in your family collecting the dole, then the easy way is to be on the dole.

    Are these kids "choosing" to be lazy lumps? To a large degree, yes. But their society is also choosing that for them. Their parents are choosing that for them.

    Their government is choosing that for them.

    We can't do a lot about parents being bad parents. The bar to take kids away from their parents is a very high one, and rightfully so. But we can, and should, change how our governments deal with them. Stop making it easy for these kids to be lazy lumps.
     
  5. Neon

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    They need another World War. The last one straightened that country right out.
     
  6. kidconnor

    kidconnor 55gallon hog

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    Wackbagger?




    He writes this as if kids are the only problem. Where do they get their morals from? I would say there are adults who do little but exist also.
     
  7. Lord Zero

    Lord Zero Viciously Silly

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  8. Owenay

    Owenay Those who fail to learn from history are doomed...

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    :huh: Apparently you didn't read the entire article. The author spends a great deal of time absolving the 'young underclass' from responsibility because society not only condones it, but encourages it. He lays blame with parents, teachers, and the entertainment industry among other things. As a matter of fact, that was the entire premise of the article...
     
  9. Don the Radio Guy

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    The left is beginning to get defensive about their Welfare State empire. Things are going to get a whole lot uglier before they get better. The people in charge have a vested interest in inciting violence within the population, and that's exactly what they're doing. When the rioting hits our shores, expect to see a whole lot of purple shirts out there throwing Molotov cocktails.
     
  10. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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  11. NuttyJim

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    the problem is that all the "young people" want to be rappers or wanna be gangsters.
     
  12. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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    Is that really true? I assumed the looters were actually kind of middle-class opportunistic hipsters like the Vancouver riots.
     
  13. Nick the Pig

    Nick the Pig Scraping a dull comment across your tender eyeball

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    Very well said. If I wasn't on welfare I'd agree with you wholeheartedly.
     
  14. Nick the Pig

    Nick the Pig Scraping a dull comment across your tender eyeball

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    Nah, not these riots. There were some hipster riots recently but you probably never heard of them.
     
  15. whiskeyguy

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    In the case of what's going on with London, I think it is more lower-class people doing this. They're just out to consume and destroy. Vancouver was a little different because it was sparked and driven by a specific event (kinda like the riots that start outside a Rage Against The Machine concert), and those are more middle-class kids. However, right now in London the rioting/looting is self-driven, and I think at that point it involves the poor more.

    I'm getting so pissed off at the stupid fucking justification I've heard on the news. There is one condition where I would even consider looting, and that's in an almost apocalyptic situation where I had to get food to feed my family. Of course I would do my best to prepare to not even get to that point. I have no support or sympathy for people who steal Wii consoles and then burn a Sony distribution center down.

    If it's really about helping the fucking poor step up, how about you steal suits so you can go to a fucking job interview on Monday. It's the prime example of how entitlement is killing our societies, and it is absolutely fucking driven by liberal douchebags who have coddled these people and reaffirmed that they deserve anything they want without having to work for it.
     
  16. Lord Zero

    Lord Zero Viciously Silly

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    Alcohol had a lot to do with that. So did this...

    Stanley Cup Finals - Game 7
    Boston Bruins: 4
    Vancouver Canucks: 0


    Oh, it hurts doesn't it, Vancouver?
     
  17. Party Rooster

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    Well played sir.

    I think initially, definitely. I still think a lot of those kids look a little too preppy to be lower-class.

    Something I think was largely ignored by the OP was the media's effect on all this. Not talking about the coverage, but how TV and movies seem to glorify the people that become quick millionaires and famous overnight sensations. British TV is even more obsessed with all the reality and Idol type stuff. Throw in all the new social media and everyone with a Facebook or Twitter account can become an instant celebrity.
     
  18. mascan42

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    Short version: ******* actin' all ******ly.
     
  19. Sunsetspawn

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    After all, that is how the word was invented.
     
  20. Motor Head

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    I recently dealt with two girls that were high school dropouts. I caught them with Xanax and no prescription. I start a conversation with the one that was in the back of my cruiser that wasn't crying and ask her what she plans to do without any sort of education. She tells me that she is moving to LA because she is going to have her own TV show. I ask her what she does that would warrant her having her own show and she looks at me blankly like I just asked her to explain nuclear fusion.

    Even the white kids are dumbing down, to a lesser percentage. They have no concept of work, they all think they will be on TV or will be rich someday and have no plan whatsoever for reaching any sort of goal.
     
  21. LastDeadMouse

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    I can't imagine being more than 12 years old and still thinking that I was going to be a TV star.
     
  22. NuttyJim

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    Have you seen "Jersey Shore"? Companies are hemorrhaging money to pay dumb fucking kids to do shit that has no entertainment value. Either way that bitch will end up on "Bang Bus", "Captain Stabbin" or one of its many variants lol.
     
  23. mills

    mills I'll give em a state, a state of unconsciousness

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    What about the compromise factor. When liberals went in favor of these programs during and in the wake of the civils rights movement, the other side eventually acquiesced and granted the programs in many instances, provided there was some amount of segregation and isolation involved.

    There was more than one side that contributed to the formation of the shit wasteland communities the cultures of which ultimately lead to the problems you're talking about.

    (don't say "this is about england". MORE than half of you are referring to the US in your posts)
     
  24. JonBenetRamsey

    JonBenetRamsey well shit the bed

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    if we didn't have these delusional fucks who want to be famous, who else would be in our porn?
     
  25. lajikal

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    Fuck that. There's only a handfull ;) of pornstars I like and they have talent, skills and work ethic. These lazy fucks just end up being extras if they're lucky and then off to givemedat careers.
     

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